The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 181

Do you plan on keeping the Gungan battle? I tinkered once with the language tracks, and used Spanish for the Gungans so I completely re-write what they say. In my experimental version, right before the battle between the droids and the Gungans, when Tarpals says: "Ouch time".... I changed it to a subtitle that says, "I have a bad feeling about this." BUt wow... I hate that entire sequence! It's useless.

ben_danger said:

Killing qui gon on tatooine sounds interesting, how much of the rest of the film be adjusted to suit this?

Almost all of it. I'm kind of taking inspiration from ANH, where Luke is left to face the danger of the universe alone (or so he thinks) after Obi-Wan dies. The boring dialogue between the council and Qui-Gon could be cut (and perhaps be heavily modified so it was between Obi-Wan and council... perhaps). This sets the stage for a poorly trained Anakin and a more wary Obi-Wan.

The difficult bit would be the duel at the end. There are big chunks where Obi-Wan isn't really doing anything or where Qui-Gon is centre stage. It might have to be significantly cut down.

Judge said:

The difficult bit would be the duel at the end. There are big chunks where Obi-Wan isn't really doing anything or where Qui-Gon is centre stage. It might have to be significantly cut down.

And this would be my biggest beef.

But don't let that stop you from trying...

Agreed. Go ahead, but keep in mind that you would also, in the process, cut the only actually enjoyable aspect of the movie (possibly of the prequels, full stop). So even if it works story-wise (which it might do), it might still not be worth it.

Yeah, it's a good idea, but difficult to work out. It also matches with what Lucas had originally planned for Qui-Gon in one of the first drafts of TPM: Qui-Gon doesn't show up until Obi-Wan arrives at Coruscant with the Queen, and accompanies him to Naboo where he is killed by Maul.

Qui-Gon kind of is the main character in this movie I suppose (though I think TPM is more of an 'ensemble' movie). Take him out, and the other characters can't make up for his absence. Still, would be very interesting to see how the movie would turn out without him. Maybe it's another option to make Obi-Wan a junior Jedi knight? Remove all references to him being a Padawan, and make him more of an equal to Qui-Gon. Maybe the mission to Naboo is his first as a Jedi, just like Anakin's mission to Naboo is his first in AOTC. It would also rid us of that 'jealousy' angle that is kinda there but goes nowhere.

A little correction I have to make (though no one will care :P): the Neimoidians DID send TC14 away with drinks before they received the order to kill the Jedi from Sidious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joTzwjVUSo4

Guess RLM was wrong on that one, but then again, he couldn't even tell two handmaidens, who were mentioned by name in the movie, apart.

Switching gears, I recently saw the mockup of the Tantive IV on Dagobah in ROTS, which was awesome, though I see one potential problem in just how much the Polis Massa med center's design varies from the interior of the Tantive.  Granted, that's probably nigh-impossible to resolve in a fanedit, but if there was a way to at least make the hallway outside the operating room mesh a little better w/ the rest of the ship, the concept would be perfect.

But on the same token, I don't believe its a stretch that the medical area of the ship has to look like the rest of the ship... I don't believe the cockpit did.

Darth Cadavra said:

Switching gears, I recently saw the mockup of the Tantive IV on Dagobah in ROTS, which was awesome, though I see one potential problem in just how much the Polis Massa med center's design varies from the interior of the Tantive.  Granted, that's probably nigh-impossible to resolve in a fanedit, but if there was a way to at least make the hallway outside the operating room mesh a little better w/ the rest of the ship, the concept would be perfect.

 I did do this mockup to go with it (it's as usual a bit rough around the edges but looks a bit like it's a different area but with a similar design ethic).

I'm a little behind on this idea - what does it accomplish to have this scene on the ship?

The idea was to remove the pointless asteroid base and Yoda's little pod, have the Tantive set down on Dagobah after Padme and Obi-wan have transfered to the ship.

That way Yoda just has to walk outside to start his exile, and Luke's line about there being something familiar about the place takes on a whole new meaning.

Sure it adds another landing sequence but it removes two others.

Ahhh...thanks.

Dead on the forums as of late...

I don't know if this has been discussed in depth before, but one of the things I've been thinking about a lot concerning AOTC is removing the mystery surrounding the clones subplot in AOTC. Removing it would make the Jedi a lot less stupid.

Not that I'm really working on an edit, but I've been gathering ideas left and right, and in my ideal AOTC edit, the existence of the clone army is common knowledge. The debate Padme returns to Coruscant for is whether or not to deploy it on Republic worlds. Problem is, by removing the "mystery", there really is no reason for Obi-Wan to visit Kamino.

So, how would it work to still have the tour around Kamino in the movie and get Obi-Wan on the Geonosis trail? I'd like to hear your ideas on this.

SilverKey said:

I don't know if this has been discussed in depth before, but one of the things I've been thinking about a lot concerning AOTC is removing the mystery surrounding the clones subplot in AOTC. Removing it would make the Jedi a lot less stupid.

Not that I'm really working on an edit, but I've been gathering ideas left and right, and in my ideal AOTC edit, the existence of the clone army is common knowledge. The debate Padme returns to Coruscant for is whether or not to deploy it on Republic worlds. Problem is, by removing the "mystery", there really is no reason for Obi-Wan to visit Kamino.

So, how would it work to still have the tour around Kamino in the movie and get Obi-Wan on the Geonosis trail? I'd like to hear your ideas on this.

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-II-The-Brash-Cut/topic/10541/

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Nicholas J. Michalak just posted a clip from his AOTC edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6evtInZvVUg&feature=sub

Cutting from Anakin bringing the body back directly to the funeral (and skipping the awful "i murdered children" scene) is what I've done in my edit too. :)

I'm going to read your thread about your edit, brash. Looks good!

I like Michalak's AOTC clip, but I don't agree with removing Cliegg's speech. Why shouldn't he say goodbye to his wife? Gives the movie some much needed humanity. I also like how different Cliegg and Anakin's eulogies are: Cliegg's is all about Shmi and what a good person she was, while Anakin's is all about himself. I think it's a nice juxtaposition.

Personally, I'd keep the scene in the garage, but I agree with you guys that the actual confession should go. I would also remove Anakin actually cutting down the first Tuskens in the camp. That way, with the confession removed, the scene in the garage could be Anakin just ranting and trying to deal with his emotions, at least to Padme. The murder is only implied. This also tackles the issue of Padme just shrugging it off and marrying him anyway (and in ROTS not believing Anakin would be capable of murdering children).

I'd agree about keeping Clegg's speach, but I'm glad the garage scene is gone!

The prequel trilogy just seems to be full of irrelevant scenes, as time goes by and the wonder of 'new Star Wars movies' fades they really are crap. It would be great to wright them off, but maybe an edit of -3hrs of the prequels could make something of them??!!.....

J

I removed Clieg's lines mainly because he's essentially a character I'm indifferent to.  He has all of two or three scenes in all of the saga, and is never mentioned again.  While I get that, yeah, it's a more touching eulogy for Shmi, we forget anything about this guy by the next scene.  He really has little to no emotional impact on the story.

The mass murder confession is gone because it's insulting to Padmé's character.  She is a person dedicated to peaceful, diplomatic, non-violent solutions.  At every turn throughout the prequels, she strongly seeks diplomatic solutions to everything up until there is absolutely no other option available.  So, I cannot accept that she would choose to marry a guy who confesses to murdering men, women, and children out of blind rage and vengeance.  Plus, in ROTS, she is shocked at the thought that Anakin would kill younglings despite knowing that he has already killed men, women, and children in cold blood, previously.  These events make her appear to be moronic, in the least.  I also think, as another fan editor did (don't recall which), that it's perhaps more telling that Anakin would trust this secret with Palpatine more than his own wife (as he mentions it in ROTS after Dooku's death).

The wipe from Anakin bringing his deceased mother home to the funeral was in contention with me.  It does appear odd, but I don't know how well a straight cut would work.  Might just have to cut out earlier.  I'll work in those ideas for removing 3PO's lines.  After hearing Adywan's old radio interview, I think distancing Anakin from C-3PO's origins is a truly intelligent idea.  The big problem is I have no idea how to remove CPO from the final shots of the film.  I do intend to start my own thread, shortly.  Just keep revising my excessively long post covering all three films (which I am editing simultaneously along with a few other films).  Likely, the thread will debut this weekend, if not later tonight.

-NJM