TV's Frink said:
Ha! Thanks for contributing to The Trap Thread.
Anytime ;)
-Angel
vaderios said:
Silent darker? yup i think it works that way too.
No its not a trap
-Angel
That last one made me lol and would make a wonderful widescreen wallpaper. :D
Working on playing with the lighting in the room right before Palpatine attacks. Took some color out of his face also after the lights come back on. I might have the lights flicker thru most of the saber fight if i can get it done right. Again, this is first draft stuff. And the part of him first pulling out the saber is not darkened yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeTpaOlDOwE
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Wow, that really adds to the scene. If I saw that in theaters, I would have felt a little fear. Fantastic.
The only thing I would do is to have the lights flicker a bit before they power down, kinda like an electrical problem. And maybe have a few of those buttons go a little haywire. Perhaps an even more ominous deep boom as the lights come down.
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This is gonna work great! It's gonna make it seem a LOT more plossible that Palps can take on all of these Jedi.
I think you could really have some fun and stretch out the time between when the lights go out to when Palps attacks.
Oooh...You could show Palps shadow sloooowly moving closer to the Jedi...
You could even use that shot of Mace putting his saber up over his head and now he would be using it kind of like a flashlight.
Oh! This would be a great time for Palps to use his lightning! He could kill off the other Jedi that way. But you wouldn't quite know where or whats happening...I'm drooling at the possibilities! :D
Watching it again I have a thought about reordering:
-Are you threatening me, master jedi?
-Not yet.
-It's treason then.
-lights suddenly go out
-omit closeup of saber coming out of Palps sleeve...because it's dark! :P
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Josh said:
Wow, that really adds to the scene. If I saw that in theaters, I would have felt a little fear. Fantastic.
The only thing I would do is to have the lights flicker a bit before they power down, kinda like an electrical problem. And maybe have a few of those buttons go a little haywire. Perhaps an even more ominous deep boom as the lights come down.
Yeah, we need some subwoofer action. It would be neat to have a bit of rumble like there was when vader would force choke people.
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Well I can do lightning no problem, question would be when to use it. I'll look over the scene a bit more, seeing if theres a good place to slip it in.
When I'm working on the next draft Ill be adding more masks also, so it will look far better then.
**edit, if you listen there is a low playing rumble as he rises up out of his chair. It's the force choke rumble, just didnt want to over do it. lol
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Shaping up nicely bob! Great suggestions by the other posters as well. I'd say no to lightning though. It's overused in the PT as it is. It was a big thing when it happened in ROTJ, but seeing Dooku use it in AOTC and Palpatine using is so casually when fighting Yoda kind of cheapened it.
Looking good!
A few ideas. I agree that the saber coming out of the sleeve should be cut. Gives that much more impact to the saber igniting in the darkness.
Have Palps get up slower. Cut from him starting to get up to showing the Jedi again with their sabers drawn but have the lights flicker accompanied by the force rumble sound effect. Maybe insert a puzzled closeup shot of Mace's face during the flicker before cutting back to Palps getting up all the way as the lights dim completely.
I think it would be perfect then. I think it's important to get a reaction shot of sorts from the Jedi to the lights flickering/dimming.
How I would do it:
Are you threatening me, master jedi?
Not yet.
Palps gets up and the lights flicker as he does so
Cut to the shot of the Jedi with their sabers drawn. Lights flicker more along with inceasingly loud force Rumble.
Closeup of Mace's face in the flickering light.
Shot of Palps after the omitted sleeve closeup. It's treason then. (lights flicker and dim to nothing) Palpatine's saber ignotes from the darkness.
brash_stryker said:
I think it's important to get a reaction shot of sorts from the Jedi to the lights flickering/dimming.
To brash you listen! ;)
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brash_stryker said:
Looking good!
A few ideas. I agree that the saber coming out of the sleeve should be cut. Gives that much more impact to the saber igniting in the darkness.
Have Palps get up slower. Cut from him starting to get up to showing the Jedi again with their sabers drawn but have the lights flicker accompanied by the force rumble sound effect. Maybe insert a puzzled closeup shot of Mace's face during the flicker before cutting back to Palps getting up all the way as the lights dim completely.
I think it would be perfect then. I think it's important to get a reaction shot of sorts from the Jedi to the lights flickering/dimming.
How I would do it:
Are you threatening me, master jedi?
Not yet.
Palps gets up and the lights flicker as he does so
Cut to the shot of the Jedi with their sabers drawn. Lights flicker more along with inceasingly loud force Rumble.
Closeup of Mace's face in the flickering light.
Shot of Palps after the omitted sleeve closeup. It's treason then. (lights flicker and dim to nothing) Palpatine's saber ignites from the darkness.
THIS. The only things I can add would be be perhaps having Palpatine keep the lights down when he charges, so that we only hear the Jedi's screams, then when only Mace is left and they're going into the hallway, have the lights come back up to show that Mace is now alone. Plus having the lights come back up as quick as they do in the current preview make the dimming pointless. They have to have a purpose, which would be having Palpatine killing the Jedi in the dark (plus only seeing the blades in all of that would be cool).
ALSO, you MUST get rid of that small remnant of the Force scream that's still in there!
Really diggin' what's been done so far here, and especially loving the Mace Vs. Palpatine tweakings; was wondering if any had seen this edit of said duel, as I found it pretty effective. The clever re-ordering of Anakin arriving at the building really helps lengthen the amount of time it takes Palptine to dispatch Fisto, making the fight that bit more plausible. Something to consider, maybe?
topdawg. I like the idea, but I would far rather have the scene go strait thru. Thanks for the idea tho.
I've had some major revelations while working on the last pass. With the lights flickering I'll be able to do some of the things that were in my original version of the scene. I had a hard cut of Mace saying the lines, Not yet, and then the senate will decide your fate right after one another. I mended the shots, and while it looked good, it was obvious that I slapped the shots as one. But with the lights flickering I can now re-add that line.
rpvee, Actually I readded the Sith scream after a few people mentioned about maybe keeping it. Thats why you still hear it. 8)
Lightening is out btw. I looked over the shots, and there's not a good enough spot to use it.
I'm going to be toying with adding back in some of the original lines and shots as a few people suggested. (The Jedi reaction to the lights shot) , also maybe adding in some new stuff that I can get away with, now that the lights will be off for a bit more of the scene. Longer the lights are off, more tension. Also I'm going to make the lights flicker as Mace and the Jedi walk thru the hallway. This further shows that this is indeed a planned trap.
Might be a day or two before I get it layed out , but I'll post a clip when I have something worth looking at.
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Looking forward! :)
BTW this was the version I was working on when I decided to go alittle different route. How do the flickering lights look?
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bobgarcia74 said:
rpvee, Actually I readded the Sith scream after a few people mentioned about maybe keeping it. Thats why you still hear it. 8)
I honestly think it just sounds like a really rough audio cut right now more than a shorter version of it. It appears with no real beginning, and ends with no real end. Either make it more like a "Sith Shout" than a "Sith Scream with a bad cut", or eliminate the scream.
The lights flickering look AWESOME! I suggest a couple flickers when he says "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?", because that is SUCH a Sidious moment and he looks SO pissed off. Also, again, try keeping the lights off until Mace is alone with Sidious in the hallway. What does the cutting down of the Jedi look like in the dark? Like you said, the longer it's dark, the better, and the sudden revelation that Mace is now alone when the lights come back on (probably because Sidious' entire focus would then be on Mace, not also the lights) would be very scary and alarming for the viewer.
When the lights finally go out, is that boom the Force? It sounds like the generator shutting down.
EDIT: Also, have the lights get as dark as they do in the first clip! That was really spooky. The less we see of Sidious, the better.
The sound as the lights go out is temporary. But it for sure needs a noise to pull off the idea of the power being shut down.
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And the roughly cut scream?
It will all be worked on, and figured out. Like I mentioned before, a few parts will be reintroduced to this scene. When I edit these, sound is normally my last step. Cause as much as these versions change, spending a hour fixing all the audio is a waste of time, untill I'm dead set on what I'm doing visually.
Once everything is layed out video wise, I'll watch the clip with and without the full scream, and make a judgment call then. 8)
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Makes sense.
I'm so excited to see the final flickering/dark version! Will you share it or are you leaving it as a surprise?
Soon as it's presentable. I'll post it up
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REALLY love where this edit is going Bob
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
So Bob, have you been at all tempted with your prequel edits to go the JasonN route and make Dooku a rogue Jedi? I really like what you've done with him as a straightforward sith (goading anakin into giving in to his anger) however I've always thought his character is really one dimensional as a bad guy.
I'm a fan of that idea as well.
If I was to go that route, it would mostly be established once I get around to doing Episode 2, Cause sady Poor Dooku gets no screen time and no love in this ROTS.
To be honest I have no clue why Lucas would kill Dooku so quickly. Pretty much the main bad guy from the last film, right? Would make sense to use his esablished bad guy status, and maybe take that to a whole new level.
I would have loved to see Dooku doing the things General Grievous did. Instead we get a four armed, coughing toy seller. And we have to hear about how Obi and him are old rivals, when with Dooku, we already knew that. Cause we watched it.
But I'm wishing for great things from a man who killed off Boba Fett with a Three Stooges slapstick joke. Then a burp. (facepalm)
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