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I'm not buying this boxset if it doesn't have a decent set of special features.
Sure, Empire of Dreams was alright, but I would rather watch Adywan's HD versions of the films than pay for another box full of crap.
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Its when you reed statements like "its not the ultimate box" set that you know that somewhere down the years another box set will come along with everything that you wanted in this coming set. lucas you bastard. I would say if we ever get the original trilogy again it will be in the mega ultimate remastered you cant live without this box set.
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IMO there will most likely be an all new Dir. Cut
and if anyone can re-master laserdisc (if the master films were lost that is??) to 1080p HD it's LFL/ILM. it would be cool if the blu's had 3 versions of each of the classic films: (like what was done with Close Encounters) New Dir Cut, 2004 Cut, OOT Cut
and like in the TOS Trek Blu's you can switch between versions to see what was changed as it played.
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The last thing we need on Blu are those 1993 non anamorphic masters that were never intended to be watched on today's HD screens. You can't create detail that isn't there. There are still archival film prints out there if nothing else.
The OT has been changed so much besides the obvious, (some shots have been subtly reedited such as when Imperials are being shot) that a seamless branching disc may just result in a "fake" original cut like Disney has pulled with some of their 90's classics.
Best that the originals get their own separate discs to breathe on.
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..until I realized just how much was changed from the original.
Lucas fucked up THX every bit as much as he did Star Wars. Fortunately, I found out about it before I bought it, so I was able to pass. No way I want those images in my head. I'll go without ever watching it again before I watch that train wreck.
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The last thing we need on Blu are those 1993 non anamorphic masters that were never intended to be watched on today's HD screens. You can't create detail that isn't there. There are still archival film prints out there if nothing else.
The OT has been changed so much besides the obvious, (some shots have been subtly reedited such as when Imperials are being shot) that a seamless branching disc may just result in a "fake" original cut like Disney has pulled with some of their 90's classics.
Best that the originals get their own separate discs to breathe on.
What Disney stuff are you referring to?
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Well, in some examples, backgrounds had been redrawn at some point for later IMAX releases that were used for the DVDs like in Beauty and the Beast. And then there were those allegedly controversial moments that Disney decided to edit out like the priest's knee-penis in The Little Mermaid.
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Parts of the "I just can't wait to be king" number in Lion King were redrawn for some reason as well.
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That goes into the IMAX changes category.
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Maybe. But, if you look at the screencaps, what was redrawn doesn't seem any more detailed than what was replaced.
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/thelionking2.html
There was a rumor the crocs in that shot were too close to some artist's trademark style, and were changed to avoid legal nasties.
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captainsolo said:
..until I realized just how much was changed from the original.
Lucas fucked up THX every bit as much as he did Star Wars. Fortunately, I found out about it before I bought it, so I was able to pass. No way I want those images in my head. I'll go without ever watching it again before I watch that train wreck.
God it is so bad. Entire scenes were dropped and shots completely recomposed if not redone entirely. In ways it is worse than SW. Fitting that the most artistic of his films has been completely lobotomized.
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Ugh. Disney revisionism annoys me nearly as much as Lucas revisionism...
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The fact that Disney denies such changes is what makes them worse IMO.
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Disney?
Is there a date for the Star Wars Blue Ray yet?
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They keep saying Blu-Ray this and Blu-Ray that, but, based on the treatment the GOUTs got, I think they're just confusing formats, because you just know they mean HD-DVD, the wave of the future! :p
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Well, I only hope this doesn't end up like the Lord of the Rings Blu-Ray. And I'm of course talking about image quality, not the fact that LOTR only came out in the theatrical version, which we'd love for STAR WARS and which is what LOTR fans complain about (understandably). But to get to the point, the LOTR Blu-Rays are sourced from the same master used for the several years old HDTV broadcast (from about the same time as the STAR WARS HD broadcasts) but they made a new encode for Blu-Ray which actually looks worse than the broadcasts due to an extensive DNR (Digital Noise Removal):
Blu-Ray:
HDTV:
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So we could end up with the 2004 transfers of STAR WARS looking even worse then the HDTV broadcasts we have now :-(
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I for one will only buy this if there is an absoulutely stellar collection of bonus material, as I have very low expectation for the films themselves at this point and would much rather watch Adywan's Revisited in 480p than the 2004 version in 1080p.
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Well I did read Sansweet said they just didn't know where to stop. can you imagine the gems in that archive?! Oooooommph. Sorry I just.... never mind.
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Speaking of Lord of the Rings, there are reports on avsforum.com that the LFE channels of the Bluray versions have been compromised compared to the dvd's--some sort of subsonic filter around 25 hz has apparently removed all the lowest bass content, considerably reducing the impact. This isn't a problem for most people (including me) who don't have massive subwoofers that can shake a room at frequencies well below the range of human hearing, but the folks who do have that capability are in an uproar about it. While my bass extension doesn't go that far, I would certainly not want to buy a product that I knew had been compromised in such a way. Hey, I might be able to get a giant SVS subwoofer someday, and I'd sure want to take advantage of it if I could! Add what was mentioned about the DVNR and I'll stick with the dvd's, thanks. (Of course, I don't even like the LotR films that much, because the changes from the books really annoy me, but that's a whole other story.)
The Bluray releases of Avatar as well as Master and Commander are also said to suffer from this subsonic filtering, and possibly others I haven't heard about yet.
As for Star Wars on Bluray, my view is simple: no restored original trilogy, no sale. I'm particularly interested in the 70mm soundtracks, or close approximations thereof, and I would hope that those would be used in the audio mastering, but I won't hold my breath on that.
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Has there ever been a release on DVD or Blu Ray with alternate audio tracks in the same language? I'm talking tracks with differences, not just 2.0 vs 5.1.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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I would imagine there have been lots, giventhat there are thousands upon thousands of discs out there. "Kung Pow: Enter the Fist" comes to mind, with 4 different audio tracks (original unedited audio, 'what they were really saying' audio, book on tape audio, commentary) Is that the sort of thing you meant?
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The Terminator DVD came with a 5.1 mix with new sound effects, as well as the original mono which I am very thankful for. The newer Superman set also contained the 5.1 "enhanced" soundtrack from 2000, as well as the original mono and stereo mixes. Mad Max Special Edition included the australian as well as American voice recordings. Just offhand.
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I would imagine there have been lots, giventhat there are thousands upon thousands of discs out there. "Kung Pow: Enter the Fist" comes to mind, with 4 different audio tracks (original unedited audio, 'what they were really saying' audio, book on tape audio, commentary) Is that the sort of thing you meant?
I was looking more for the different versions that Zombie mentioned. I'm just wondering if our concept of what an ultimate disc would be - with multiple mixes - is something that other official DVDs have ever had. Apparently, it's been done before.
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yeah, it has been done before. Over in Japan, the Godzilla & other Toho fx films on DVD (& now bluray) were released with the original mono, stereo, or "perspecta" surround audio tracks along with new 5.1 surround remixes. Some of them just had one original audio plus the new 5.1 track, but many had multiple options because the original theatrical releases had both mono & either stereo or perspecta releases, much like Star Wars.
To take it one step further, during the mid to late 70's, the original film-makers recut their own Godzilla movies from the 60's to make shortened versions for the "Champion Matsuri" children's film festivals. These re-edits were also released on laserdisc, dvd, and now are being included on the blurays when available. So even halfway across the world people are given the choice of which film edit & audio track to watch on home video.... C'mon, George!
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The most recent Jaws disc includes the original mono track too, thankfully.
Pretty much everything you could possibly think of to make this product great is so easily doable for LFL, which is what makes the whole thing extra frustrating. Just getting correct lightsabers is going to end up being a 7 year hassle! Think about that for a second, there are porno outfits in the valley that wouldn't operate like that. (uh, so I've heard)