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J. Williams & LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK AUDIOPHILE EDITION - Restored & Remastered Score (Released) — Page 9

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NOTE ABOUT PM's:

I received many pm's recently. Thanks for your consideration about this work guys. Now, may I say some people here know me well enough for being able to cross my threads to pm my work, surely a reason why Ripplin is so confident in the pm system ;) (though I still don't know if I'm still going to do so). But on the contrary I don't cross my pm's as I use to delete them... Just an idea I share...

Despite this I'm still polite enough to answer them, on the contrary of a few people around... :)

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Great to hear about the project being complete! I hope I get to listen to it sometime in the future :)

Some belated feedback, or more of a comment. The sound is stellar, of course, but the portion that stuck to me were the tracks 5 to 10 on the second disk. It is among my favourite material in the whole saga, and finally, the improved sound conveys all the menace and the heavily dramatic stuff as it should be.

The only thing, more of a personal gusto, would have been a merging of "Escape from Bespin" and "Hyperspace" because of the build-up, but editing-wise, I can fully understand your point.

As I said, exceptional work.

 

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Thanks K_Bacon, but if you're talking about my work on the "Optimum Edition", it has - almost - nothing to do with the new one.

I found a copy of the OE 2 last week, thinking I didn't keep one for myself. When I listened to the portion you're talking about I was surprised to hear how "SE" it sounded... I mean relatively to the AE of course. The OE 3 is different from the OE 2 but not really "better".

... And for the two tracks you mention, the levels fit so well that you just have to crossfade those tracks for yourself without caring about anything. It's gonna take you 2 min... Isn't it great ?

One should be able to reedit the entire score from the AE besides, without caring about any levels, or almost.

 

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ABC said:

Thanks K_Bacon, but if you're talking about my work on the "Optimum Edition", it has - almost - nothing to do with the new one.

I found a copy of the OE 2 last week, thinking I didn't keep one for myself. When I listened to the portion you're talking about I was surprised to hear how "SE" it sounded... I mean relatively to the AE of course. The OE 3 is different from the OE 2 but not really "better".

... And for the two tracks you mention, the levels fit so well that you just have to crossfade those tracks for yourself without caring about anything. It's gonna take you 2 min... Isn't it great ?

One should be able to reedit the entire score from the AE besides, without caring about any levels, or almost.

 

 

Hmm, sorry if I mixed up something here.

About the two tracks thing... Don't get me wrong, I wasn't complaining at all. And I know enough about audio editing to do a crossfade, but why should I? It's your vision of the score, and I see no reason tempering with it. It's just not that important.

 

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Hmm, sorry if I mixed up something here.

No issue. The OE thread has gone on page 3 or 4 of the preservation forum surely, so I guess this one topic looks a bit like "dejà-vu"... Mmmhh, paradoxal because I can tell you it's some "never heard" there.

 

... And I know enough about audio editing to do a crossfade, but why should I? It's your vision of the score, and I see no reason tempering with it. It's just not that important.

Ah, thanks.

 

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...with which I meant that the issue is not that important, not your project. Just to clarify ;)

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I've sent the 2 firsts CD's to a couple of buds as a preview, just so everyone know. They will feedback or not, what doesn't matter to me as they already have, or as they may have been helpful in a way or another.

Once more, please don't PM me - nor them - about the AE for now. The upload is still incomplete. If you have great expectations for this work, please post here.

 

 

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I'm sure you will once again leave us in awe. The samples are brilliant!

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This is a no-brainer. OF COURSE, we have great expectations for this one...although Ripplin has a point ;)

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Well, I guess my English and my formulation wasn't perfect. Just an invitation for people who are still having the idea to send "remember-me"-like PM's.

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Info: post 2: CD3 shows now the tracks wich received slight adjustment for the set (*)... Eeeerrr... No it's not a cat's bottom... Overall these changes only consist to give a few more tension or some boldness, trying to render CD3 the more generous as possible. Some tracks from the 15mn overview were not final.

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I really want to listen through the entire thing back to back, but I don't have three and a half hours in the evening thanks to my neighbors, so I'll probably have do it it piecemeal, a CD each day. I just hope it won't be detrimental to the overall experience.

By the way, to the audio geeks here - my father recently fixed my old Denon AVR1801 reciever and it has working digital Dolby Digital/DTS/PCM inputs (had to use only analogue before). Just so that it won't affect my opinion on the AE, is it better to listen music with PCM 96khz real stereo or Dolby Digital stereo mode? Thanks.

 

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For me, it depends on the system. Upstairs, I'd probably listen with 2 channel PCM and downstairs, 6 channel DD stereo. Do whatever sounds good or that you prefer, I say. For something like this, I'd be listening with headphones, at least the first time.

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Ripplin said:

For me, it depends on the system. Upstairs, I'd probably listen with 2 channel PCM and downstairs, 6 channel DD stereo. Do whatever sounds good or that you prefer, I say. For something like this, I'd be listening with headphones, at least the first time.

Good headphones always bring out the best, and the worst in a recording. I actually prefer headphones, even though I do have good stereo equipment.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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I think headphones create needless listening fatigue, and they have no real space in them.

Maybe it's my big ears. :/

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I tend to avoid headphones when I'm home, unless it's late in the evening, as I wear my phone's earplugs for hours during the day when I travel in the city, and it is tiring...

I'll give PCM stereo the first try out. DD sounds sharp and spacious, but there appears to be some bleed on the surround and center channels and too much bass and reverb (if that's the right term in English?) when listening to music.

Thank you, folks. :)

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In order to appreciate the music, one should do as he feels of course. But if you just want to check the qualities of a recording, very cheap equipment becomes quite interesting. I've checked once the volumes for the AE on a mini HI-Fi of the cheapest kind that is left unused at home with headphones and I was surprised how I could hear everything in detail...

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To the few people who have had a part of the set from me, please pm me about any issue (someone spoke about a long "click on "Main Title/Ice Planet"... I don't have such corruptions).

Thanks.

... Just so you know: my computer is more and more unstable and the final crash looks imminent ! So, it is possible I'll deal with these problems later.

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I hope ABC won't mind posting my PM answer here! My impressions after listening through CD1 and 2 :

 

Minor criticism - there's a long "click" on the first track on CD1, I mean noticeable click for a good second or so. Maybe it's due to the download or the playback, but I tried three different times. It's around 1/3 through the track.

Otherwise, I really don't know what to say. It's pretty much the best version of the soundtrack I've seen, on par with the best quality "official" releases out there. One of my complaints on the earlier releases (except the Optimum 2010) was some noise - there's very little of it here, and it is actually noticeable only on the quietest moments on the track, the "transitions" at the beginning and end of each one. It's certainly not detrimental to the quality as I feared.

Instruments sound clear and fantastic and, I think, there's better positioning than on your previous releases - I can quite easily discern where a specific orchestral section is (or should) be. I really like some of the (*insert English term*) instruments, such as the fanfares. They sound incredibly sharp and clear, no longer muffled. The Imperial sections through the track are also incredible. I toned down my subwoofer volume a bit, yet the bass is surprisingly nice. More deep than loud, as it should be. In the end, they're more toned down, but in a good sense. Not overly bombastic, just more clear and imposing. Finally, Yoda's theme was incredible. I'll simply leave it there.

Again, I just don't know what to say, other than the fact that it's great. Everything I expected as I read the description, it sound better. :)

 

Something I forgot to mention to ABC - some tracks do sound a bit better than others. It's not a variation in quality, as on the whole everything is excellent, but a few pieces just sound even better than I expected. Yoda's Theme I mentioned above is one of those.

 

Just to note, I've listened through the AE using my PC with ASUS Xonar DX audio card hooked up through the SPDIF to a Denon AVR-1801, PCM 96khz stereo on JBL Control Monitor fronts. It's definitely not the best sounds system for music, as the PC is overall quite noisy (it's a gaming rig...) and with a superior audio system quality may be better.

 

 

 

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"Clear" is my favorite word when it comes to these and it's nice to see you use that word a few times. I still remember listening to some of ABC's remastered tracks and thinking "he found more instruments!" because the SE versions had become so muddied. :p

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Minor criticism - there's a long "click" on the first track on CD1, I mean noticeable click for a good second or so. Maybe it's due to the download or the playback, but I tried three different times. It's around 1/3 through the track.

 

Thanks for this ! Something occured here, obviously. I found out my 2 first tracks were corrupted even on the original I used for the upload, and the upload looks to have made them worst again.

It's now fixed, thanks to you and a couple more of careful ears.

 

Something I forgot to mention to ABC - some tracks do sound a bit better than others. It's not a variation in quality, as on the whole everything is excellent, but a few pieces just sound even better than I expected. Yoda's Theme I mentioned above is one of those.

 

I suspect they took a special care for the recording of that one. As for the Imperial March besides, considering what it gives on CD3.

 

... Just a little advise to anyone who would use EAC to burn the CD's, mostly if it's to play on a good old HI-FI as I have: uncheck "Drive is able to write CD-Text" in the driver options, even if it can!

 

PS: patience Ripplin, thanks to these guys the one you'll have will be perfect. Actually I'm glad I haven't to pm the corrections to numerous people !

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I had some confirmation CD1 & 2 flac versions are now fixed thanks to some feedbacks (a couple of tracks were corrupted). Cd3 is ready. The arts are almost done, though I may leave a couple of things in silence so one must have to find by himself how to build it. Anyway there's enough stuff there to make some adjustments for yourselves and make custom sets.

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For the share I'm gonna keep it simple and silent: I've been asking for feedbacks, or a word from people who are interested with the project (read these projects as this is the 5th version of ESB I present on this forum) since long enough for you to know what I expected from such a thread. Looks like there's not that much people interested in a John Williams' restored masterpiece... Weird but well, it made me decide to share it as I did for the 1st version of the OE. Most of you know what it means. For those who don't, let me translate: don't pm me, please ! I won't answer requests by pm due to past experiences.

 

Note to Dark Jedi: may I ask you please to not torrent it for this sucker who doesn't dare to post himself... And I bet I know who asked you that. I haven't had the honour to read one of his feedback, and it's typicaly the kind of guy who pissed me off (the ones who request and never let you know) and thanks to who you could have seen this set slip away from your grasp. And "you" is not to be taken personnaly of course.

To finish, let's pray my computer holds on still a week !

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