Warbler said:
two words: time travel.
Time Travel is awesome.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
That was four words...
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Time Travel is Super Awesome. ?
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Five words.
And two uses of punctuation.
I AM ON A ROLL!!! COME ON! TRY ME! I CAN COUNT THE WORDS OF ANYTHING YOU THROW AT ME!!!
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
How many words is that, smart she-male?
None, silly. I couldn't find it in a dictionary. I don't even think it's a standard-recognized onomatopoeia. Save that mess for your other thread.
NEXT!!!
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer Tape said:
Save that mess for your other thread.
You're going to have to be more specific than that.
Onomatopoeia
Specificity
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Yeah, I'm still not sure what thread you are talking about.
Drut wolley diputs!!!
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
I declare this to be my finest thread.
xhonzi said:
Warbler said:
two words: time travel.
Time Travel is awesome.
I suppose it can be, but its always screwed up. Take Terminator for example. The whole plot of the is thing is that the machines in the future are beaten. Their only chance to win is to send a machine back through time and prevent the resistance leader from being born(or in 2, killing him as a kid). If the machine had been successful, John Connor wouldn't become the leader of the resistance. If he hadn't, the machines wouldn't know to send a machine back in time kill him(or his mother). see the problem? This type of paradox happens with time travel all the time.
It works fine if you only travel forward.
Ah! bad movie science!
My recent favorite comes from last year's 2012. One of the scientists says that the neutrinos from the sun "have mutated into a new kind of subatomic particles" that are heating the earth's core & causing all the problems. Last I checked, nonliving particles aren't exactly capable of mutation...
ah, yes 2012. If were one of the people left at the end, I think I'd want the scientists that predicted the disaster beaten or executed. They predicted that the entire earth would be flooded. It turned out, Africa was spared. If the scientists had been smart enough to figure out the Africa was going to be ok, alot more lives could have been saved. I wager Africa can hold alot more people than those 3 arcs they built.
Warbler said:
xhonzi said:
Warbler said:
two words: time travel.
Time Travel is awesome.
I suppose it can be, but its always screwed up. Take Terminator for example. The whole plot of the is thing is that the machines in the future are beaten. Their only chance to win is to send a machine back through time and prevent the resistance leader from being born(or in 2, killing him as a kid). If the machine had been successful, John Connor wouldn't become the leader of the resistance. If he hadn't, the machines wouldn't know to send a machine back in time kill him(or his mother). see the problem? This type of paradox happens with time travel all the time.
Have you seen the 2001 version of The Time Machine? They offer an interesting solution to that problem. The movie itself is kind of 'meh', but I found their time travel science to be good.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
I haven't seen that movie. Just what was their solution?
Okay, here it goes...
Scientist guy has a fiance. They are mugged- she is killed. He spends the next several years (decade?) inventing a time machine so he can go back and change it. He builds it, he goes back. He finds her before the mugging and takes her away from the park where it happens. After he distracts her for a while, he decides the mugging has been averted so he prepares to leave and go back to his own time. He walks away, and she gets run over by a run away cart and is crushed to death. He realizes that he can change the circumstances, but not the outcome of her death. (Movie makers potentially should have had one more attempt at doing this (or a montage!) because I doubt he would have concluded this without further attempts) He doesn't know WHY he can't change the past- simply he knows that he can't. He decides that maybe they know in the future why you can't change the past... so he goes forward in time and finds the height of society and scientific understanding. They don't know so he gets in the timemachine and ends up a quadrillion years in the future with the Morlocks and the Eloi. This is the part of the movie that sucks, IMHO. He eventually talks to the leader of the Morlocks who has stolen the time machine and wants to use it for AWESOME (I mean EVIL). He tells the timetraveler why he couldn't change the past:
Actually you can change the past. BUT you can only change it in ways that don't create paradoxes. Since the time traveler was only ever motivated to invent time travel to avert the death of his fiance... that event MUST ALWAYS occur or else he wouldn't have created the time machine with which he changes time.
As in Warbler's Terminator example... if Skynet invented Time Travel with the sole purpose of undoing its defeat at the hands of the adult John Connor, their change to the timestream (killing Connor) would create a new timeline where they aren't defeated and therefore have no reason to invent time travel. Therefore it is not invented, and they don't change time so they are defeated by Connor so they do create time travel, so they aren't defeated by Connor, so they have no reason to invent time travel, so it is not invented, and they don't change time so they are defeated by Connor so they do create time travel, so they aren't defeated by Connor, so they have no reason to invent time travel, so it is not invented, and they don't change time so they are defeated by Connor so they do create time travel, so they aren't defeated by Connor, so they have no reason to invent time travel, so it is not invented, and they don't change time so they are defeated by Connor so they do create time travel, so they aren't defeated by Connor, so they have no reason to invent time travel, so it is not invented, and they don't change time so they are defeated by Connor so they do create time travel, so they aren't defeated by Connor, so they have no reason to invent time travel, so it is not invented, and they don't change time so they are defeated by Connor so they do create time travel, so they aren't defeated by Connor, so they have no reason to invent time travel, so it is not invented...
MY HEAD ASPLODE!
So, in conclusion, the one thing you really want to change in the past is the one thing you can't change. Really, you can probably only change things by accident. So, going back to the past sort of sucks.
OR
B. Invent a time machine now so you'll have it BEFORE you need it.
I shall go with B. See you in a few thousand years, suckers!
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
I like what they did in the first back the future with the terrorists "killing" Doc Brown. Marty only thinks they killed him. He warns the Doc in 50's and the Doc wears a bullet proof vest. His life is saved and yet Marty still knows to go back in time to warn him.
Gaffer Tape said:
None, silly. I couldn't find it in a dictionary. I don't even think it's a standard-recognized onomatopoeia. Save that mess for your other thread.
NEXT!!!
Nanner Split said:
Back on topic:
Everything ever said in Doctor Who ever.
"Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!"
Even if that was an action someone could actually perform, neutrons wouldn't be polar anyway. Because they're NEUTral. ¯\(°_o)/¯
Bizarre as it may sound neutrons can be described as flowing and it is possible to have a flow of anti-neutrons so if you converted your neutron flow into anti-matter you would reverse the polarity even though both have a neutral polarity (just one will have an anti-neutral polarity).
Time travel in films is always sort of a leap. However, I've always dug the Back To The Future handling of it - he goes back and does start to erase himself. No convenient gimmicks or outs - he really does mess up the time line for himself as much as possible, by threatening his very existence.
That Time Machine story sounds like an interesting take too.
Hmm, that reminds me. In the first film, the conflict is really played up as Marty's problem. If Marty doesn't fix it, then Marty will cease to exist. It isn't until the second film that they begin referring to time paradoxes that can "unravel the very fabric of the space time continuum and destroy the entire universe." But if you think about it, the conflict in the first film would have been that as well. If Marty ceased to exist by interfering with his parents getting together, he would not have existed to interfere with his parents getting together. Boom. Hmm, maybe Doc should have taken this a bit more seriously. =P
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Anchorhead said:
...I've always dug the Back To The Future handling of it - he goes back and does start to erase himself.....[etc.]
And then they did something weird in BTTF II.
"2015 Biff" steals the car, and takes the book to 1955....changes the timeline....and then returns to the original 2015.
...
If Doc and Marty couldn't go back to the original 2015 to stop Biff from stealing the book, how come Biff could return himself to 2015?
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Because it's the ripple effect of plot convenience!
Or it's the sentient time stream designed to get Marty and Doc home to prevent any further disruption of the continuum of plot convenience!
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.