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That is over kill for that circumstance.

Does not look more overkill to me than having three star destroyers trying to catch the Falcon on Hoth when it fails to jump into hyperspace and almost colliding in the process... :) Or when a little later the whole fleet, Executor included, goes after them into an asteroid field... :) :)

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adywan said:

And for those interested on how the edit is going, here is an updated screenshot so you can see what is left to be done:

 Geez man! SPOILER ALERT!!!!

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I've always though that the Falcon's flight trajectory was preset. After all, the technicians messed up its hyper-drive, maybe it was programmed to fly towards the Executor? Yes, it does have the plot-hole that they went to get Luke first, but still..

Also, I'm not sure how it is explained in the EU, but can a ship's tractor beam hold on to another ship, if the latter engages its hyper-drive engine? Maybe Lando and Chewie didn't care about the tractor beams (and thus flying towards the Executor), as long as they got the hyper-drive working.

 

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I finally got around downloading the colour-corrected ESB. And I'm loving it!

Can't wait for Revisited. I read everything that goes on here (I have a voyeuristic tendency ;-)), and love all the mock-up's and prop pictures so far!

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Well, the Tantive IV was caught in the SD's tractor beam in ANH.  That's how the Empire commandeered and boarded the ship.  And I would think that if you tried to engage your hyperdrive while in a tractor beam, your ship would likely get ripped to pieces.  Either that, or it would be like slamming on the accellerator while your wheels are locked - you're just gonna burn out the engine.

And no, I can't rationalize the Falcon flying right up next to the Executor.  They're being chased by all of three TIE Fighters.  Maybe if it were double or triple that, maybe they'd have a harder time maneuvering away, but they easily could've altered trajectory away from it as soon as they saw the SSD.  So, maybe adding more TIEs into the pursuit would ease anyone's problems with this, but frankly, it's never come to mind.  I'm just so caught up in the momentum and suspense, anyway.

-NJM

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Nicholas J. Michalak said:

Well, the Tantive IV was caught in the SD's tractor beam in ANH.  That's how the Empire commandeered and boarded the ship.  And I would think that if you tried to engage your hyperdrive while in a tractor beam, your ship would likely get ripped to pieces.  Either that, or it would be like slamming on the accellerator while your wheels are locked - you're just gonna burn out the engine.

I know Adywan is ignoring the EU for the purposes of this edit, but the only thing that can stop a ship from going into hyperspace is an interdictor field - tractor beams are comparatively weak. Just a thought.

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If that's the case, why didn't Han escape into hyperspace when the Death Star was capturing them in ANH? If a tractor beam couldn't stop you from going into hyperspace, it'd be comparatively useless, no?

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Well, the Death Star was likely fitted with interdictor field generators anyway. Just because Han didn't mention them doesn't mean they weren't there.

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It'd still mean tractor beams are useless unless either used against a ship without a hyperdrive, or used in concert with an interdictor field, even if it explains the ANH situation. I'm not talking about the EU here — this is just what makes sense for the movies. Ady's not using the EU so this thread isn't the place to bring it up as a reason to do things or make changes.

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That's a good point.

Maybe the tractor beam didn't stop the Millenium Falcon from going into hyperspace because the Empire expected the hyperdrive to be deactivated? Perhaps they only had the generators on a low setting, or something. The Empire aren't really known for their thriftiness, though. 

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((((TV's Frink)))) said:

 

So ABD, I have to ask.  When you quote people, it sometimes looks like this...

 

Would you rather it look like this instead?

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Marcos_Edson" said:

 

Does not look more overkill to me than having three star destroyers trying to catch the Falcon on Hoth when it fails to jump into hyperspace and almost colliding in the process... :) Or when a little later the whole fleet, Executor included, goes after them into an asteroid field... :) :)

 

 

The chase didn't happen on hoth, it started at hoth and ended at the asteroid field. Also the empirel fleet was already together so it made sense to have a few capital ships go after the Falcon, and the empire accomplished nothing by going into the field, except for alot of damage. If you notice during the course of the whole OT, every time they send a bunch of capital ships to go after one small one, nothing was accomplished. So what are you trying to accomplish by having more capital ships around the Executor during their escape from Bespine? The Falcon is going to get away no matter what, unless you want Ady to change that.

I really think you are to obsessed at making the empire so bad-ass looking over anything else. BTW, the empirel fleet never went to Bespine, Just Vader and the Executor.  Thats why the Executor is the only ship by Bespine.

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AuggieBenDoggie said:

 

((((TV's Frink)))) said:

 

So ABD, I have to ask.  When you quote people, it sometimes looks like this...

 

Would you rather it look like this instead?

Yes, actually.  That's quite awesome.

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Then you shall be known as ((((TV'sFrink)))). Which does look pretty cool btw. Gives you more character, and goes well with your Avatar, which looks pretty cool as well. That will also look good on the credits of ESB:Revisited.

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adywan, here's a couple of other things to do with the 'gantry duel' sequence that I wanted to mention too, in case they can be tweaked a little -

1.  ....at this point below, near the end of the walkway, the railing on the left-side of Vader is intact until it's struck by a lightsaber....

2.  ....and when Vader passes that point, we now see that a 'cut' has been left through the railing.  Although there are small 'gaps' between the tops of the railing anyway, this one has definately been added after the lightsaber strikes....

( it can be seen more clearly in this bigger version - http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3606/screenshot147.png )

3.  ....and then moments later, the railing on Vader's right-side is struck by a lightsaber too....

4.  ....which leaves a 'cut' through that railing as well....

( bigger version of shot above - http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/24/screenshot167.png )

5.  ....however, just jumping back a little, when Vader first swings his lightsaber downwards at Luke in the shot below, it seems he strikes a railing first....

6.  ....and then strikes against the side of the doorway when he takes another swing at Luke, who ducks....

7.  ....thing is, when vaderios previously did a mock-up ages ago showing two 'scorch marks' near the doorway in the 'close-up' shot below, I remember agreeing this would be a neat addition, but that there should perhaps only be a single 'scorch mark' from Vader's swing in shot 6.

However, if you agree that Vader does strike the railing first, then when we cut to the 'close-up' below, it would be good to see some kind of 'cut'/'singe' damage indicating that too, similar to the damage seen on the railings moments later in shots 2 and 4....

The current 'gap' seen in the 'close-up' railing here is part of the actual railing design, but perhaps it can be made slightly bigger, and 'sheared-off'/'singed' somewhat?

....and perhaps the same thing could also be done to this shot below which comes a little later (just before Luke hits Vader's shoulder armor), where Vader has just swiped down at a point where there is also already a narrow 'gap' in the railing, yet it remains exactly the same thin width after the sparks have gone....

 

This next point which involves Luke's tunic always seems really jarring to me, but it's something else you may just be able to improve a little -

....although the slight raggedness on Luke's tunic seems to be different during certain shots, both shoulder seams are generally intact in the run-up to getting his hand cut off....

....but when we cut to the shot below, the tunic he's wearing here has suddenly developed a severe rip on his left shoulder....

....yet when we cut back to various shots of Luke afterwards, his left tunic shoulder is now suddenly intact and sewn up again....

If Luke's bare shoulder 'skin' could be made to match the colouration of the tunic somehow during that particular shot, then things would be less jarring I reckon.  See what you think anyway.

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Bloody heck! nice find there Impfighter:O havent noticed the shoulder's cut..

7.  ....thing is, when vaderios previously did a mock-up ages ago showing two 'scorch marks' near the doorway in the 'close-up' shot below,

Right

 

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I was going to say that these changes may delay the release even more, but Ady could fix them items in the blink of an eye, so I'll be quiet.

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I swear you've watched all of ESB frame by frame, haven't you ImpFighter? ;)

Re: Luke's ripped shoulder, I think the rip is evident in all the shots you posted.  In the shots just before his hand gets chopped off (where he's lying on his back), you can see a lot of material bunched up.  I think the rip's still there, but the material's all scrunched up because of the way he's lying.

Similarly, in the shots of Luke hanging on to the end of the vane, you can still see a split in the material.  Although not clear in the shot where Luke's kneeling (because of the post being in front of him), in the subsequent shots you can clearly see a rip between the shoulder and sleeve of his jacket.  I think the reason it's not more evident is because his arm is raised (hence allowing the material to drop back into place).

 

Edit: updated post with clearer screencaps.

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AuggieBenDoggie said:

 

Marcos_Edson" said:

 

Does not look more overkill to me than having three star destroyers trying to catch the Falcon on Hoth when it fails to jump into hyperspace and almost colliding in the process... :) Or when a little later the whole fleet, Executor included, goes after them into an asteroid field... :) :)

 

The chase didn't happen on hoth, it started at hoth and ended at the asteroid field. Also the empirel fleet was already together so it made sense to have a few capital ships go after the Falcon, and the empire accomplished nothing by going into the field, except for alot of damage. If you notice during the course of the whole OT, every time they send a bunch of capital ships to go after one small one, nothing was accomplished. So what are you trying to accomplish by having more capital ships around the Executor during their escape from Bespine? The Falcon is going to get away no matter what, unless you want Ady to change that.

I really think you are to obsessed at making the empire so bad-ass looking over anything else. BTW, the empirel fleet never went to Bespine, Just Vader and the Executor.  Thats why the Executor is the only ship by Bespine.

 

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Take it easy kid, it's only a movie!

;P

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I was thinking more along the lines of a blackened scorchmark more to the left to better match where the tip of the lightsaber seems to hit in the 'distant' shot vaderios....and where's my railing 'cut'/'scorch' then?  ;)

Seriously, I'm glad you showed that new mock-up to give a rough idea again, as I couldn't remember where your original one was either.

Re:the tunic shoulder corellian77.  I'd have to say that there's definately some different things going on with that left tunic shoulder over and above the few shots I posted back there.  There are various shots where it seems to be very much unripped overall compared to where his hand gets cut off.  That's what I see anyway.

By the way, there was a bit of conjecture a while back about what happened to Luke's hand and saber during this sequence.  Never mind that, what I want to know is, what became of those large 'gantry posts' that Vader chopped off first?....

I'll give my own take on all that in the context of the existing footage when I can get around to something else concerning Luke's fall sometime.  :)

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Yeh, it looks like Vader strikes the railing first and then the wall.

As for the rip in the arm of Luke's outfit, well it is there throughout the sequence. It's just the way that Luke's arm is positioned that makes it looked closed, but upon closer inspection you can see the rip and Luke's skin. (just click on the image for a larger view)

 

EDIT: Corellian77 beat me to it :)

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adywan said:

EDIT: Corellian77 beat me to it :)

Now there's a quotation worth putting in my sig :)  At least we have a variety of shots now.

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