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msycamore
Parent topic
Info: - Greedo & Jabba subtitles, theatrical placement and fonts -
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/411500/action/topic#411500
Date created
26-Apr-2010, 2:30 PM

Here’s a little alien-sub documentation if you want to reconstruct the theatrical subtitles for Star Wars and Return of the Jedi like they appeared on the original prints in '77 and '83.

STAR WARS '77 screen-caps taken from Puggo’s 16mm preservations. (Thanks, Puggo! for making these preservations).

NTSC GOUT-frames

70663 - 70698:

70825 - 70931:

70940 - 71088:

71098 - 71137:

71203 - 71282:

71365 - 71406:

71435 - 71489:

71498 - 71595:

71656 - 71748:

71806 - 71833:

71843 - 71931:

RETURN OF THE JEDI '83 screen-caps taken from the documentary “Empire of Dreams”

PAL GOUT-frames

33617 - 33684:

33703 - 33772:

34689 - 34793:

34871 - 34944:

45872 - 45920:

A photo of a 16mm print. (“I told you not to admit him.”)

Ok, I’ve done my own recreated subtitles in AviSynth, I used “Trade Gothic Bold”, it’s not a perfect match but it’s the closest I’ve seen yet, some of the letters come closer in “AlternateGotNo3D” but overall I think “Trade Gothic Bold” is the closest match.

My scripting experience in AviSynth is limited so maybe someone can make a more compressed script out of it if you think it’s unnecessary long 😉

Keep in mind that these scripts are made with g-force stabilizing scripts in mind, that means that the placement of the subtitles will only be “correct” using his slightly different image cropping, also the PAL-version of Jedi which the script is based on have a slightly different cropping/framing than the NTSC-version. The SW subs are timed against Moth3r’s bootleg telecine and the Jedi subs are timed against the Empire of Dreams footage and Video Collector’s “theater performance” - Jedi bootleg. Thank you VC for sharing!

- STAR WARS -

####### Black subtitles to simulate a drop shadow #######

subtitle (“Going somewhere, Solo?”, \
239,336,70663,70698, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“It’s too late. Y”, \
46,336,70825,70931, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou should have paid him when you had the chance.”, \
177,336,70825,70931, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Jabba’s put a price on your head so large every\n” + \
“bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you…”, \
99,335,70940,71088, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,lsp=25,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I’m lucky I found you first.”, \
232,336,71098,71137, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“If you give it to me, I might forget I found you.”, \
134,336,71203,71282, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Jabba’s through with you.”, \
236,336,71365,71406, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“He has no time for smugglers…”, \
205,336,71435,71489, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("…", \
44,336,71498,71595, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser”, \
62,336,71498,71595, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
672,336,71498,71595, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
91,336,71656,71748, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship.”, \
102,336,71656,71748, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“That’s the idea.”, \
284,336,71806,71833, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time.”, \
122,336,71843,71931, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)

####### Main subtitles ########

subtitle (“Going somewhere, Solo?”, \
-1,371,70663,70698, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“It’s too late. Y”, \
45,335,70825,70931, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou should have paid him when you had the chance.”, \
176,335,70825,70931, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Jabba’s put a price on your head so large every\n” + \
“bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you…”, \
98,334,70940,71088, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,lsp=25,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I’m lucky I found you first.”, \
-1,371,71098,71137, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“If you give it to me, I might forget I found you.”, \
-1,371,71203,71282, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Jabba’s through with you.”, \
-1,371,71365,71406, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“He has no time for smugglers…”, \
-1,371,71435,71489, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("…", \
43,335,71498,71595, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser”, \
61,335,71498,71595, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
671,335,71498,71595, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
90,335,71656,71748, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship.”, \
101,335,71656,71748, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“That’s the idea.”, \
-1,371,71806,71833, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time.”, \
-1,371,71843,71931, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)

Sample:

- RETURN OF THE JEDI -

####### Black subtitles to simulate a drop shadow #######

subtitle (“There will be no bargain.”, \
229,344,14382,14474, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I will not give up my favorite decoration.”, \
151,344,14539,14700, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I like Captain Solo where he is.”, \
195,344,14778,14856, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I have come for the bounty on this Wookiee.”, \
142,344,20523,20624, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“At last we have the mighty Chewbacca.”, \
160,344,20765,20892, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I want fifty thousand. No less.”, \
222,344,21502,21551, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“This bounty hunter is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive.”, \
55,344,22551,22772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“It’s too late for that, Solo.”, \
230,341,28771,28854, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
169,341,28863,28970, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou may have been a good smuggler”, \
180,341,28863,28970, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("…", \
535,341,28863,28970, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("…", \
183,341,28979,29056, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“but now you’re Bantha fodder”, \
208,341,28979,29056, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
496,341,28979,29056, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“T”, \
278,341,29222,29271, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ake him away”, \
288,341,29222,29271, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
424,341,29222,29271, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Bring her to me.”, \
273,341,29455,29501, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I’m sure.”, \
309,341,29749,29794, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I told you not to admit him.”, \
225,341,33466,33566, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“He must be allowed to speak.”, \
207,341,33617,33684, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
237,341,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou weak”, \
248,341,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("-", \
332,341,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“minded fool!”, \
341,341,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“He’s using an old Jedi mind trick.”, \
188,341,33827,33925, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
140,341,34160,34278, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“our mind powers will not work on me, boy”, \
151,341,34160,34278, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
565,341,34160,34278, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“There will be no bargain, young Jedi.”, \
170,341,34689,34793, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I shall enjoy watching you die.”, \
187,341,34871,34944, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Bring me Solo and the Wookiee.”, \
190,343,39732,39814, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“They will all suffer for this outrage.”, \
172,341,39823,39944, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Soon you will learn to appreciate me.”, \
150,341,43150,43302, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Move him into position.”, \
229,341,45220,45286, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Put him in.”, \
291,341,45872,45920, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$000000,halo_color=$0F0F0F,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)

####### Main subtitles ########

subtitle (“There will be no bargain.”, \
228,343,14382,14474, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I will not give up my favorite decoration.”, \
150,343,14539,14700, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I like Captain Solo where he is.”, \
194,343,14778,14856, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I have come for the bounty on this Wookiee.”, \
141,343,20523,20624, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“At last we have the mighty Chewbacca.”, \
159,343,20765,20892, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I want fifty thousand. No less.”, \
221,343,21502,21551, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“This bounty hunter is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive.”, \
54,343,22551,22772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-4,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“It’s too late for that, Solo.”, \
229,340,28771,28854, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
168,340,28863,28970, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou may have been a good smuggler”, \
179,340,28863,28970, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("…", \
534,340,28863,28970, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("…", \
182,340,28979,29056, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“but now you’re Bantha fodder”, \
207,340,28979,29056, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
495,340,28979,29056, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“T”, \
277,340,29222,29271, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ake him away”, \
287,340,29222,29271, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
423,340,29222,29271, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Bring her to me.”, \
272,340,29455,29501, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I’m sure.”, \
308,340,29749,29794, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I told you not to admit him.”, \
224,340,33466,33566, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“He must be allowed to speak.”, \
206,340,33617,33684, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
236,340,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“ou weak”, \
247,340,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle ("-", \
331,340,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“minded fool!”, \
340,340,33703,33772, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“He’s using an old Jedi mind trick.”, \
187,340,33827,33925, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Y”, \
139,340,34160,34278, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“our mind powers will not work on me, boy”, \
150,340,34160,34278, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (".", \
564,340,34160,34278, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“There will be no bargain, young Jedi.”, \
169,340,34689,34793, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“I shall enjoy watching you die.”, \
186,340,34871,34944, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Bring me Solo and the Wookiee.”, \
189,342,39732,39814, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“They will all suffer for this outrage.”, \
171,340,39823,39944, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Soon you will learn to appreciate me.”, \
149,340,43150,43302, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Move him into position.”, \
228,340,45220,45286, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)
subtitle (“Put him in.”, \
290,340,45872,45920, \
“TradeGothic LT Bold”,36,text_color=$DCDCDC,halo_color=$FF000000,spc=-2,font_width=10.2,interlaced=true)

Thank you Moth3r for the Avisynth help and g-force for making the great stabilizing script!