C3PX said:
Warbler said:
So your telling me that there is no one in the Catholic Church can lead it better than the Current guy? That someone who is involve with covering up a Priest that rapped children, should remain Pope?
I don't know. Maybe there is someone who can lead it better than the current guy. I just don't care if he remains the Pope or not. Doesn't make a difference. Corruption has been, is, and will always be in the Catholic Church. It is just the nature of that sort of entity. I don't think anything can change that. And I don't think it really matters. Most people realize the facade is a facade. How could something that has caused so much earthly harm during its existence really be under the direct leadership and orders from God? Supposedly God (through the Cardinals) chose Benedict to be the Pope, why the hell is God so stupid or uncaring to appoint a man who would be fine with such a coverup? At that point, I simply just don't think it matters if he resigns or not, or if people trust him or not. In the end, what is to be trusted? And for what reason?
I am not so negative as to think it can never be fixed. You may not care and it may not be important to you, but it important to Catholics. Also, I'm sure you consider it important for the church to stop future abuses of children.
TheBoost said:
Warbler said:
TheBoost said:
Fair enough for your church, but in responce to Bingo's post, if a Church does believe that (or, as I've heard before that if you REALLY accepted Christ you wouldn't be gay anymore, so a gay can't be saved QED) does that mean we are duty bound to NOT respect them?
if you accept Christ, you don't stop sinning. Everyone sins, even believers.
"Mainstream" Christianity is a difficult term, and perhaps I chose poorly to use it, but there are definitly churchs that DO hold those Gays=Hell beleif.
yeah, if you are talking about the nuts that protest funerals, but I wouldn't call them mainstream.
Bingowings said:
TheBoost said:
Bingowings said:
Any book that says selling your children, stoning people to death for having sex with someone of the same gender etc is good should be openly ridiculed and anyone truly believing such nonsense too.
If it was written by men over a period of hundreds of years it can be re-written by men.
Ok then.
Ignore my previous comments, as they were from the misunderstanding you were with the "respect religion" crew. If that's your stance, there's no confusion on my end.
I have the upmost respect for faith and even some religions but to use a clearly man made book and man made and frankly hateful doctrines as the only basis of an expression of the divine will of a God who may deserve worship
some believe it was man made, others believe it is the word God and the he wrote it. I personally believe it was partly written by men and partly written by God and partly written men who were inspired by God.
but not going by certain items of scripture attributed to Him is something that can't be respected.
just what parts of scripture do you refer to?