STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 687

i can relate to that...

corellian77 said:

ImperialFighter said:

lots

IF... your contributions to the forum are always thoughtful and well-intentioned, but you might want to consider trimming down the length of (and number of) your posts.  I find otherwise good comments/insights get muddled or lost in the lengthy commentary.

Also, just for fun, I challenge you to make a post without the use of 'quotation marks', italics, bold typeface, underlines, or 'any combination thereof'.  ;)

Well I guess everyone has their own way of getting their ideas across.  What can I say?, I find some things end up more complicated for me to describe succinctly than other things. 

And because it's impossible to find the time to spread things out here more evenly on a regular basis, it sometimes takes me more than one post to cover several various things at a time, when I get the opportunity.  And as I'm hoping to bring up a few more things yet for adywan's opinions/consideration, this will probably continue to be the case.

But although I'll probably still end up 'emphasising'/'highlighting' certain points if I feel the need, I might just throw in the odd 'smiley' too in future, just for fun.

Ziz said:

Monroville said:

re: BESPIN FLIPPED SHOTS (particularly Luke falling from great height):
pesonally, I never would have noticed them if you never pointed them out.  Other than doing some CGI on Luke's hand(s), I say just keep it, especially the shot looking up the shaft towards the carbonite pod - being that if you flipped that shot, the pod would be on the right side of the shaft, which would conflict with the previous placing of the pod on the left side of the shaft.

It's a circular shaft.  Right and Left is irrelevant.  The only thing defining right and left is the camera angle, which can be written off as the camera being moved from one side of the vane to the other.

As Ziz says, there's no actual 'side' that the large 'pod' is located on inside the round 'chasm', other than any 'impression' that the 'camera'-view's may seem to give. 

But having looked at this sequence again, I reckon that simply re-'flipping' the whole of shot 8 (see below) that shows 'Luke falling' would skew the look of things unfortunately....because the 'birds-eye-views' of the 'chasm' seen in shot 4 (just after Luke looks down), and then in shot 8 (just after Vader looks down)...both seem roughly correct in the sense that the long 'strip' (that the large 'pod' is attached to) is on the right-hand side of the frame in those particular shots...

...in both those cases, the 'impression' that we are looking down the 'chasm' from roughly the same kind of 'view' that Luke and Vader have at that point, is what dictates the positioning of the long 'strip' on the right-hand side in those particular shots as 'looking' correct.

Going by the respective positions of Luke and Vader when they look down, the long 'strip' would look wrongly positioned if it was on the left-hand side of those shots instead of the right-hand side.  So due to this, shot 8 would look wrong if it was totally re-'flipped' into reverse I'd say now...and it's really just Luke that would need to be 'flipped' ideally.

However, I reckon you could definately re-'flip' the whole of shot 9 when we cut to the view underneath the 'pod', without it contradicting any details previously seen up to this point....as it would just come across as a change of 'camera'-view inside the 'chasm' at this particular point in Luke's fall, and wouldn't conflict with shot 10 that comes immediately after it either. 

But this still leaves us with the problem that the whole of shot 8 can't simply be 'flipped' too, without looking wrong.  Here's an idea of what I mean -

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4. ....at this point, we cut to how Luke kinda sees the 'chasm' below him, with the 'strip' on his right....

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8. ....and then at this point, we cut to seeing Luke falling down the 'chasm' in a way that kinda corresponds with Vader's viewpoint as he looks down in shot 7, with the 'strip' on his right too...

9. ....but when we get to this shot, I reckon this whole shot could be totally re-'flipped' without problems so that Luke's cut hand is on the correct side...as it doesn't necessarily need to show this particular layout of the 'chasm' and 'Vane' at this point during Luke's fall...and would just seem to be a change of 'camera'-view...

10. ....and even if shot 9 was re-'flipped' to sort the 'reversed' Luke, it wouldn't conflict with how we then cut to him in this shot....

....but having said that, it's really good to know that adywan is hoping to actually only tweak the 'Luke' element itself in shots 8 and 9, while leaving the position of everything else where it currently is.  That would certainly be the best result if he can manage that.

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Okay adywan, here's a couple of other subtle tweaks it would be good to see for 'continuity' between the various shots -

In certain 'chasm' shots like these first 2 examples seen below, the big lights going down the sides have a 'yellowish' tinge to them compared to the 'white' ones seen in other shots....

....so do you think they could be 'whitened' up so that they better match the look of the lights that are seen in shots like this example below?....

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Also - During various static shots showing the end of the 'gantry', there's a bit of thin 'tubing' detail missing between certain shots, that feeds into a black, 'hollowed-out' section.  It's in place during this shot....

....but it's then missing during the shots of Luke backing up to the end of the 'gantry'....

....and then it's back in place again during the first 'close-ups' of Luke....

....it's the thin 'tubing' right behind Luke's left hand here.... 

....and it's still in place during this shot, as Luke swings around....

....and is also in place during this next 'close-up' (above his head)....

....but it's then missing again during the rest of the more extreme 'close-ups' of Luke that follow (it seems that the 'tubing' has been differently positioned in these particular shots)....

....and it's also then missing from this shot too, when Luke falls off the 'gantry'....

...and finally, it's missing from the initial 'overhead' view of the 'duel' too, as seen in this comparison - http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7417/trailercomp40.jpg

A little better consistency throughout with this 'tubing' would be a really neat touch, if possible.

By the way, one of my favourite subtle tweaks in this sequence is how you've now re-positioned the 'rocket'-shaped 'gantry' detail to match the full-size 'prop', as seen in that comparison.

Great stuff!

adywan said:

There are many flipped shots that i won't be re-flipping because it throws the scene out. The SE shot i won't be flipping because it would stand out too much as being the same set used later. The Chewie shot where he is firing at the troopers can't be flipped either along with the stormtroopers firing because of directional issues. The shot of Luke falling will not be flipped fully. I will hopefully  be flipping Luke in the 2 shots as he is falling

As for the wall issue its actually an optical illusion. The curved part of the wall sticks out quite a bit and when viewed from a different angle it makes it look like the corner of the wall is thinner, when it is in fact the same set.  Just look at the squib marks. they are exactly the same. Plus you can see just how far this section sticks out in other shots from behind chewie and when the squib explodes in the close up shot you can see that its slightly hidden due to the curvature of this section.  No need for a fix here.

Thanks for claryifying that the wall 'edge' thing I showed screenshots of on page 681 is just a sort of 'optical illusion', rather than a 'continuity flaw'!  Good to know, and I now see that there's a curved wall section beside the 'edge' that's always given me the false impression that there was another, different-looking wall 'partition' being used in certain shots!  Between that and the various 'camera'-views used, it turns out I've been looking at that sequence in the wrong way for years until you kept me right.... 

Quick request - does anyone happen to know what page adywan's tweaked version of the 'Bespin building with Stormtroopers' is on, that was previewed a while back?  (here's the existing version) -

I can't remember if the tweaked version was part of a 'comparison' shot or not, but it would be handy to have, to better show something I've been meaning to go into.  Thanks.

Nice one vaderios!  Much thanks

Possibly, although it's already an amazing improvement.

I just needed it for it's better building colour for what I have in mind though.

ImperialFighter said:

vaderios,

....I wish I had the time to explain why just now, but you know I'll get back to you on this when I can.  (with screenshots I now need to organise....)

.....However, you've made me notice something subtle that's missing that I would like to see added if possible, which I'll cover as well when I get the chance.  :)

It was to do with this.  When I can get around to it.

vaderios said:

Test this link..

http://www.starwars.com/games/playnow/soundboards/snd/boh/boh_15.mp3

I randomly selected it through many.

 

-Angel

In Safari web browser all you have to do is open the "Activity" window and it will show you all of the elements on the page:

Yeah, then highlight the mp3's, hold down command & hit return and your'e downloadin' !!

J

Hey Ady I sent you a PM

J

Hey Ady. Hopefully this video will give you a more accurate/impartial idea of how the new roto brush in CS5 works.

http://ae.tutsplus.com/tutorials/workflow/welcome-cs5-an-intro-to-the-new-roto-brush/

vaderios said:

adywan said:

Just thought i'd show you just how the edit is progressing. The top line of video are all the completed shots and the bottom line is left to do

 

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 I was wondering if Ady could please give us a revision of that screencap with the progress since?

With all this saturation and low quality from the 2004 Edition, doesn't it make it seem all "Fuzzy & Blue"???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftaoQD9Di0

;)

That was so awesome!

Form head to bottom of shoe!!!

Cookie Monster said:

That was so awesome!

Form head to bottom of shoe!!!

 

well thats ironic :D you were great!

I've been lurking for a long time but joined not that long ago!

I had to say soemthing after seeing that video.

Have a cookie on me!

That video was a work of genius!

Yes the release date is finally revealed i cant wait for this edit its the way the 2004 set should have been can you give us any hints on what ending you will be using for Return Of The Jedi revisited i hope its the 97 version because that ending was perfect and should have been released on dvd.