STAR WARS Movies Animated — Page 22

After watching redlettermedia's AOTC review, I feel this may be our only hope... AT LEAST, maybe we can produce three good screenplays so that I can allow my imagination run wild as I weep in the fetal position in the corner.

skye1083 said:

Why can't the clones have souls? Couldn't you use it as a basis for the moral conflict a young jedi might face in deciding what is right? I thought part of the problem with the PT was that you had these huge battles of "fake" beings fighting with no real emotional attachment to any of them.

Perhaps this is borrowing too much from EU (but my knowledge of that is fairly limited in that area...), but I was thinking that the problem with clones could be that they are telepathic to a limited degree - say planet wide communication with each other but not galaxy. Lets say they're also stupider than the average sentient which makes them easier to control.

Now, Palpatine could introduce his own modified clones into the population, ones that were smarter who could influence the others to do whatever - over throw the local government, attack ships, etc. And these 'infected' clones would travel to planets, contaminate the local clones, and move on causing chaos along the way.

From the outside, this could look like an independent movement. The clones want their freedom and will do what it takes to get it. The Republic brass wants it stamped out immediately. The pacifists want to grant them more rights.

So what about the Jedi? I was thinking that they could be the only group that can pick out the modified clones (but not know that they're artificial until it's too late). So who do they side with? The clones threaten the whole galaxy so they have to be destroyed. But on the other hand they seem to be asking for the same rights as other sentient beings, perhaps there can be some sort of agreement with them? Which side Anakin falls on is debatable. Yoda and Obi-wan I think should side with the more peaceful option.

Ultimately, they have to be destroyed, because we don't see them in the OT and this could be the reason why - droids don't go crazy like the clones can.

 

 

 

I think you're right on with the Clone Wars needing a moral dilemma. I know it isn't addressed in the movies, why I don't know, but making clones IS a moral dilemma! It doesn't take much of an imagination to think of it as one, it is for us on Earth. It's even more of a moral dilemma if the clones DON'T have souls because we know that there is an afterlife (at the very least for certain Jedi) in Star Wars. How GL could introduce what is basically a slave army and not even question the morality of it is so crazy, I do not get it! How is not even one Jedi going, "uh, so we test tube these guys into conscription...isn't that kinda messed up?". The idea of a clone not having a soul (which I like), makes logical sense. If a sentient being is connected to a "soul" and you just carbon copy him/her physically, what happens to the soul? Do they now share the same one? Why would a new one pop up out of who-knows-where. It makes sense to me that the copy wouldn't have one. There is already a moral dilemma there, I don't understand how everyone overlooks it. No souls just adds to it, IMO.

I don't know. I mean, it sounds good.... But in another movie. One of the many problems of the PT is that it was overly political, and with this, I feel it might be a lot of the same. The political drama was almost a character in of itself when it should merely act as a backdrop.

We didn't ask too many questions during the OT, like why are they fighting? It wasn't overly complicated. I mean the bad guy wore black. It's classic style storytelling and I feel that should have been maintained in the PT. Come up with your backdrop, and let be that and nothing more.

I could be wrong, but that's how I feel at the moment.

You also need owen. Someone has to follow obi wan on that damn fool idealistic crusade you know.

And Bail Organa.

I always thougth the best way of doing RETURN OF THE JEDI was doing a pararel story. Kinda like the Godfather 2. After the revelation at the end of ESB it was time to sit and explain what happened in a simple way.

So you would have the main plot for ROTJ (rescuing Han, destroying the Empire, bring anakin back) surrounded by this two stories that would tell a similar story, both of them with a three character relationship (Luke-Han-Leia, Anakin-ObiWan-"Padme"). Both of them having the main character being tempted by Palpatine.

So you would only need to explain the main parts of the "prequel" plot, how ObiWan and Anakin meet during the clone wars, how Anakin marries and finally how he is tempted by the dark side and hates ObiWan (maybe because padme?)

No brother-sister, no ewoks, and more Obi Wan.

EDIT: Oh, and NO Death Star II. Give Palpatine something really evil and powerful. Like some device/holocron/magic wand, that will make him able to control every single being of the galaxy. Something he needs to control by himself and not leave some Tarkin/Vader handle. Something like that would make the whole galaxy to rebel against him, so it wont be just the alliance vs the empire, it would be good vs evil again.

I've said this before, but I always thought that Bail needed a make-over. I always expected him to be the new Han Solo of this trilogy? Why, you ask? Well, think about Han... Who falls for him? Leia.... Why does she fall for him? Maybe he reminds her of her father. We've always heard it say that a woman will marry someone like her father.

Always thought it would be interesting if Bail was this reluctant prince that left Alderaan during his father's rule to go have adventures. But then a Jedi named Obi-wan finds him to bring him back to his now ailing father in the midst of a new crisis involving the mandalorians. Rough I know, but it screams Star Wars to me.

_Bail should be Obi-Wans's friend as Owen should be Anakin's friend

_Jedi Knights shouldnt be an official republic order, with a high council and all that. The Jedi should be like "superheroes". Not everyone believes they exist, they fight for good and freedom but not just as superwarriors, more like leaders and advisors. (Kinda like Gandalf mixed with freemasonry).

_Obi-Wan and Anakin should meet when they are both grown ups. And should be Obi-Wan the one who has hopes for Anakin (not some QuiGon)

_Maybe, the Jedi Knight ObiWan Kenobi who is fighting in the clone wars (like many other jedi did by their own choise) with his friend the Prince Bail Organa, one day finds a young pilot in wich he sees potential for been a great jedi. This young man is Anakin Skywalker, who has a farmer friend called Owen Lars.

_I dont know what part should Palpatine have in the whole war. Maybe he is simply the bad guy (without disguises) that wins the war, just because in some crucial moment Anakin turns to the dark side. So we can keep with the idea of Good vs Evil

What if Beru is Obi-wan's sister?

I always thought it would be interesting to see some of bit characters from OT have larger roles in the PT... So that when you saw them in the OT, there would be a "cool" moment knowing the history and all.

mrbenja0618 said:

What if Beru is Obi-wan's sister?

I always thought it would be interesting to see some of bit characters from OT have larger roles in the PT... So that when you saw them in the OT, there would be a "cool" moment knowing the history and all.

I think we all hoped that... But at the end, Watto had more screentime than Bail Organa.

Why didnt they leave one of the kids to Watto? Anakin had a closer relationship with Watto than with those farmers he once met.

And maybe the other one to Taun We, or Anakin's old friend Kitster...

Even Padme had a perfect secure and numerous family back on Naboo, they could be kept there. If they are going to randomly distribute the kids to people they barely know...

Further proof that Lucas didn't think about OT before writing PT....

I think I want to try to write this.

There are thousand of action/adventure movies that have a romance between two characters without having them retreat in some romantic place.

Actually, besides the Empire Strikes Back... any other adventure film has the main character get the girl while he is doing the main adventure (Indiana Jones, James Bond...)

I guess, if you want to make it a trilogy, simply make a first movie where they all meet, they all fight some evil, and Anakin gets "Padme" at the end.

LIKE ANY OTHER ADVENTURE MOVIE.

You dont need more "big plot" in the first movie. You shouldnt even have it. If you have all three main characters living an adventure on the first movie, all of them together, helps you stablish that great friendship they have.

Then, on the next two movies you can develop the plot.

If you think about it, Han and Luke almost dont spend any time together during the OT, just on ANH. And they feel more like friends than Obi Wan and Anakin.

The problem with the prequels was that on Episode I, the three main characters didnt interact with each other, and then, by Episode II the three of them where totally different characters!

Its hard to see on the Prequels a shot where you can see Anakin Obiwan and Padme together (besides the beginning of EP2, the Arena, and Mustafar, i cant think of another)

So, 1st movie: Obi Wan and Anakin meet. Each of them has as friends Owen and Bail. Anakin saves Padme from something. You stablish what the clone wars are and who is the main bad guy. There can be some other Jedi or creature or funny character, maybe Bail is funny (in a different way Han Solo was)... Maybe a funny villain? Anakin and Padme kiss. All of them together kill the bad guy.

As simple as that.

Doing that will allow you to have all your plot elements covered. That way you can do WHATEVER you want on the second and third movie. Maybe you can make a plot that isnt just an excuse to lead to A New Hope. Maybe something even... ORIGINAL.

Well, I thinking in terms of trilogy, I think the protagonist rule can be waived, but only in the sequels.. We need Luke so we can learn about the force, and all the rules of star wars in the first movie... And once that is established and our roots are made in the mythology, we can feel free the breathe more, and then you can branch out in different directions... But this is only forgivable if the story is good.. Which again, is the problem.

If you think of the three movies as just one story, dependent of the original trilogy's storyline you are going to have the same problems as George Lucas did.

He first thought what main plot points the trilogy had to have. Characters meet, Introduce the bad guys, Anakin and Padme fall in love, explain the clone wars, Anakin turns to the dark side, Jedi die, Empire is born and the babies are born.

So basiacly he spreaded those plot points through three movies and tried to give it some background storyline... you know:

Trade Routes, Separatists (wich were never explained and never made too much sense), One man controling both sides of a war and The Prophecy.

There was never a good unique storyline on the precuels, and the only good moments of the movies where when they showed the things we already knew.

So if instead of thinking how you can make a whole story out of the three movies (making them dependent of each other), i suggest you do them one by one. Ok, its not bad to think whats going to happen on 2 and 3, but dont try to do a Lord of the Rings trilogy, as just one long movie.

If you make them as independent adventure movies, the REALLY important elements will come along naturaly with it. (Sense of adventure, Good vs evil, Friendship between the characters, pacing...)

I'm still puttering on my Episode One ("Untitled")   and Episode Two ("The Princess of Ondos") scripts on a big yellow legal pad I keep in the car. I'll share more when it's done, but on the top of the pad I wrote four rules. I thought I'd share them, for conversation's sake.

1. No Moral Ambiguity.

• The way I see it, in the OT Good=Good, Bad=Bad. The Jedi are good. The Republic is Good (if ineffectutal). The Emperor is bad, even if people don't see it at first. Anakin is good but goes bad, and not for any justifiable reason.

2. Politics are simple and in the background.

• As much as possible the fall of the Republic is shown as events that HAPPEN, not events people talk about. In my current outline the Senate is only ever seen once.  

3. Action =/= violence

• For every seen of two characters trying to murder eachother, there should be a chase, or jumping out of a plane, or crashing a spaceship, or scrambling up the side of a waterfall, or something. I think the PT had way too many lightsaber fights, and not enough swinging across gorges.

4. More locations

• In the OT they hardly ever return to any location. I try and follow that model.

These are my thoughts at the moment.