Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 265

Bingowings said:

One suggestion I don't think has been made before.

When the Rebels enter the interior of the Death Star we have one shot for the first ships to drop in and another for the Falcon.

I personally feel it would be an improvement if the camera could trail behind the Falcon (almost as if it was mounted on one of the TIEs if you catch my drift) so the entrance is in one fluid sequence without cut aways until they are inside.

It feels a bit choppy at the moment.

Sounds good... one way you could go about doing this is to take part of the scene where the Falcon goes into the crater in EMPIRE, but show the Falcon do the loop into the DS2, followed by a group of fighters.  Since the asteroid part of the shot would be removed and replaced with the DS2, you could also get rid of the convenient "manhole" they go down and have the Falcon and fighters go into the area of the DS2 that is under construction, as there is a LOT more wiggle room on the incomplete side:



I know, simplistic, but you get the idea.  I wonder how conceivable it would be to show action going on behind the Falcon and its fighter wing, maybe even showing the DS laser shooting off as the Falcon approaches the camera, flies by (ala the X-wing at Yavin in the DS1 approach) and segways into the altered "Falcon hides in the asteroid cave" wide arc into the DS2.

Just in case you didn't see it yet I posted two more videos concerning my ROTJ Fan-O-Matic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QllfLjfRhAk&feature=PlayList&p=E688FB3C9E4D2FA3&playnext_from=PL&index=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-gQxqrBSic&feature=PlayList&p=E688FB3C9E4D2FA3&playnext_from=PL&index=8

And for now that is all, my friends. Sorry to say that it ends with some lackluster scenes and clips. But I need a break from editing star wars...I'll still be around...but at least for now I won't be doing more mockups. :D

I like what you have there SSWR.  I still wish that the Obi scene gets cut out altogether and this is where the "sister" reveal is.  I would almost get rid of the Leia part where she says "I know.. somehow I've always known."  I would rather see her stay a bit in silence to show how stunned she is rather than (shrugs shoulders) "yeah, I figured as much", as well as cut out the 2nd quick Han looking on.  I think it would flow a lot nicer to show Luke and Leia in the far shot, Luke leave offscreen and then Han enters and says the "you love him, don't you?" line (seeing him the one time is enough to establish that he is, and has, been listening the whole time).

Oh yeah, and the extra bit with C3P0 talking about "including the Ewoks into the story will make them part of the rebellion".

Overall, excellent concept.. though what would you do at the end (when Leia reveals the "but he's my brother" bit)?

UNFINISHED JEDI BITS:
Part 1: I really like the idea of actually using the rebel disguised as a Scout Trooper, though I would change the "reactor leak" line (which, forget about a nod to Han's bit in the detention block) is rather silly, as the reactor is BEHIND them in the bunker.  Better to have a more angry, active voice say something like: "We've spotted the rebels! They're heading this way!"

Part 2: could work, but I would probably put the droids even farther back, so it would be conceivable that the troops could be taken out without being noticed.

Part 3: eh... I understand it's a quickie, but I still hate the "you're shooting to kill, but we're going to say "freeze"?!?" bits from the troopers.

Overall, good stuff!  If anything JEDI:R is going to be a LOOOOOT of work....

Bingowings said:

I've been thinking about the reactor in the bunker thing.

It is a bit crap really (perfectly in line with the Imperial policy of making weak points in their plan obvious but still a bit crap).

What if the view was replaced to a balcony overlooking the base proper (it is just a back door and we know there are lots of buildings there).

The Rebels could go down the bunker tunnel but end up in an observation area high in the cliff overlooking the base buildings as seen next to the landing pad.

Or a hanger for ground vehicles and bombers which also stores munitions thus making the Rebels boom go a little further.

I like the way you're thinking.  But if its up on a cliff, you would only be able to see the sky from the angles we see, so that's not very exciting.  A ground hanger would look awesome, but would really be redundant since all of the ships they need would be housed in the DS2 and they'll probably just blow everything up when they leave after completion anyway.

I wish we could keep the current "small building" idea, but explain why EVERYTHING explodes from the couple charges they plant....  Of course, we don't want to explain too much, or we'll be treading into Prequel Lucas territory:

"Look over there! Planing the bomb over there will overload the whatits and blow this whole valley up!"

Yeah, but sometimes all it takes is just one or two lines of dialogue to take care of something.  Things like cellphones in a horror movie ("hey, my cellphone has no signal out in the middle of nowhere... I'm in a horror movie, aren't I?) or Aliens/Russians speaking english (LAST STARFIGHTER or HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER) have to be addressed if you want someone to take your story seriously.

You could show a set of cascading "chain reaction" explosions going down the row of those huge electric conduits we see behind the Imp officer who stops Han.  Then again, who is to say that Han is placing explosives?

Maybe he sets locators which tell the rebel fleet where the shield generator is, which allows the ships to bombard it and destroy it (ala OPERATION: CROSSBOW).  That would allow any number of "war movie barrage" scenes to be inserted (say, replace Forrest Gump with Han, as he runs away from large explosions, or something to that effect).

DuTwan said:

fishmanlee said:

EyeShotFirst said:

fishmanlee said:

jedi rocks couldnt have been more stupid had it been this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKTsShhxqnA

I actually liked the Anything Goes part of Temple of Doom. It was the 1930's after all. Things were like that buddy.

 didnt say that it was bad that it just made that even stupider (if there is such a word)

 Fishmanlee did you comment yourself on youtube? jedimasterfisher? fishmanlee? smells very fishy to me. If you did comment yourself that makes you 100% troll. At the moment your about 98%! Just one more crude crappy sound edited youtube video to finish yourself off.

um i'm JediMasterFisher and i'm my own person thank you very much and I happened to enjoy watching his idea in that video!

TV's Frink said:

JediMasterFisher said:

um i'm JediMasterFisher and i'm my own person thank you very much and I happened to enjoy watching his idea in that video!

I'm a person and my name is Anakin!

;-)

LOL

JediMasterFisher said:

DuTwan said:

fishmanlee said:

EyeShotFirst said:

fishmanlee said:

jedi rocks couldnt have been more stupid had it been this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKTsShhxqnA

I actually liked the Anything Goes part of Temple of Doom. It was the 1930's after all. Things were like that buddy.

 didnt say that it was bad that it just made that even stupider (if there is such a word)

 Fishmanlee did you comment yourself on youtube? jedimasterfisher? fishmanlee? smells very fishy to me. If you did comment yourself that makes you 100% troll. At the moment your about 98%! Just one more crude crappy sound edited youtube video to finish yourself off.

um i'm JediMasterFisher and i'm my own person thank you very much and I happened to enjoy watching his idea in that video!

 ok man chill, just wondering if he had hit an all time low, no offence to u dude

Monroville said:

I like what you have there SSWR.  I still wish that the Obi scene gets cut out altogether and this is where the "sister" reveal is.  I would almost get rid of the Leia part where she says "I know.. somehow I've always known."  I would rather see her stay a bit in silence to show how stunned she is rather than (shrugs shoulders) "yeah, I figured as much", as well as cut out the 2nd quick Han looking on.  I think it would flow a lot nicer to show Luke and Leia in the far shot, Luke leave offscreen and then Han enters and says the "you love him, don't you?" line (seeing him the one time is enough to establish that he is, and has, been listening the whole time).

 Well, I don't disagree that there is some stuff that could be edited here...but something I kept in the back of my mind was Adywan once said (if I'm remembering correctly) he wanted to keep this scene as is. So for the most part it is the same. I know this thread isn't just for Adywan but that has usually been my goal to incorperate any ideas Ady has thrown out there.

Overall, excellent concept.. though what would you do at the end (when Leia reveals the "but he's my brother" bit)?

 Hadn't thought that far ahead  ;) Maybe just cut all of their lines and just show them kissing.

UNFINISHED JEDI BITS:
Part 1: I really like the idea of actually using the rebel disguised as a Scout Trooper, though I would change the "reactor leak" line (which, forget about a nod to Han's bit in the detention block) is rather silly, as the reactor is BEHIND them in the bunker.  Better to have a more angry, active voice say something like: "We've spotted the rebels! They're heading this way!"

Totally agree with you there. I didn't think through that line too much.

Part 2: could work, but I would probably put the droids even farther back, so it would be conceivable that the troops could be taken out without being noticed.

 that could work too. hmm

Part 3: eh... I understand it's a quickie, but I still hate the "you're shooting to kill, but we're going to say "freeze"?!?" bits from the troopers.

 Yes. Agreed. Plus the "any last words you rebel scum?" is kind of a lame line.

Overall, good stuff!  If anything JEDI:R is going to be a LOOOOOT of work....

 Also agreed! Thanks though! :D

No problemo, SSWR!

Regarding "the troopers versus Leia" scene (I may have mentioned this already), I don't know what you could do with it.  Some ideas:

(1) just cut it out.  I know it was supposed to be a flip on the EMPIRE scene, but it just comes across as a lazy flip on the EMPIRE scene.  I would replace the "laser graze to the arm" with an actual explosion (a little more to the right of the screen) so Leia takes a schrapnel hit as opposed to a poorly aimed laser blast.  Then it could just segway to the Scout Walker approaching them.  That way you have R2 hit, Leia hit and now comes the SW for the kill; the dramatic tension could really work as opposed to having the "I wuv you; I know" bit let out the steam.

(2) if there was a way to alter the scene so instead of saying "freeze" and all that jive, have the troopers say something to the effect of: "It's the princess! She has a bounty on her head!"  or "My brothers were on the last Death Star...I've been waiting for this for a long time."  Leia:"Yes, I bet you have (which could be done by keeping the shot on the troopers, but adding an out-of-focus stand in for Carrie Fisher [as we are looking over her shoulder, so we'd see part of her head, say on the right side of the screen] and have someone who sounds like CF dub the line, so you don't see her face or mouth when the words are spoken)." followed with FISTFUL OF DOLLARS type shot where you can see the blaster in the foreground as she/it shoots both troopers, followed with Han's look (being that it would implicate that she now has a bit of the scoundrel in her now).

Monroville said:

No problemo, SSWR!

Regarding "the troopers versus Leia" scene (I may have mentioned this already), I don't know what you could do with it.  Some ideas:

(1) just cut it out.  I know it was supposed to be a flip on the EMPIRE scene, but it just comes across as a lazy flip on the EMPIRE scene.  I would replace the "laser graze to the arm" with an actual explosion (a little more to the right of the screen) so Leia takes a schrapnel hit as opposed to a poorly aimed laser blast.  Then it could just segway to the Scout Walker approaching them.  That way you have R2 hit, Leia hit and now comes the SW for the kill; the dramatic tension could really work as opposed to having the "I wuv you; I know" bit let out the steam.

(2) if there was a way to alter the scene so instead of saying "freeze" and all that jive, have the troopers say something to the effect of: "It's the princess! She has a bounty on her head!"  or "My brothers were on the last Death Star...I've been waiting for this for a long time."  Leia:"Yes, I bet you have (which could be done by keeping the shot on the troopers, but adding an out-of-focus stand in for Carrie Fisher [as we are looking over her shoulder, so we'd see part of her head, say on the right side of the screen] and have someone who sounds like CF dub the line, so you don't see her face or mouth when the words are spoken)." followed with FISTFUL OF DOLLARS type shot where you can see the blaster in the foreground as she/it shoots both troopers, followed with Han's look (being that it would implicate that she now has a bit of the scoundrel in her now).

 Hmmm...I really like idea #1. That could be doable...I think.  ;)

Not as fond of idea #2...it just seems a little-...hard to say why...it seems too complicated to pull off...but hey! just about anything is better than what is there! ;P

Yeah, (2) would be ... complicated to do, if that (but you get my gist; something to make the scene play out a little better, if Leia is to emulate Han, not to mention a reason to get rid of the "freeze!" line while still justifying why those troopers are just sitting there NOT shooting them).  (1) may be an actual option, though it would be interesting to see how it would play.

Or you could do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPAGXyFvrs

Saw this and thought of you all's determination to remove Leia's clothes.

http://gizmodo.com/5517749/photoshops-new-content+aware-fill-has-its-limitations