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Oldfan said:

I don't remember if this was mentioned before or not. In the shot just after Yoda says "You will be...you will be", and just before the tie bombers are dropping their charges in the asteroid, there is a shot of the Star Destroyer firing at several smaller asteroids. To me, this shot doesn't look very good because of the way the asteroids get zapped. As they are hit, there is a flash of orange "plasma" around each asteroid, then they just vanish. To me, it would look way more realistic if there was a real explosion, even a small one, when hit, followed by the asteroids actually breaking into tons of little bits and pieces, like the asteroid is breaking apart.

Or maybe if the explosion was big enough to completely engulf the asteroids as they are hit. As it stands now, it just looks too fake to me.

Another shot that doesn't look great is right after Han & Leia kiss. An asteroid smashes into the Star Destroyer, and the entire top of the ship seems to disappear upon impact.

 

Those two shots are getting a big makeover

adywan said:

Oldfan said:

I don't remember if this was mentioned before or not. In the shot just after Yoda says "You will be...you will be", and just before the tie bombers are dropping their charges in the asteroid, there is a shot of the Star Destroyer firing at several smaller asteroids. To me, this shot doesn't look very good because of the way the asteroids get zapped. As they are hit, there is a flash of orange "plasma" around each asteroid, then they just vanish. To me, it would look way more realistic if there was a real explosion, even a small one, when hit, followed by the asteroids actually breaking into tons of little bits and pieces, like the asteroid is breaking apart.

Or maybe if the explosion was big enough to completely engulf the asteroids as they are hit. As it stands now, it just looks too fake to me.

Another shot that doesn't look great is right after Han & Leia kiss. An asteroid smashes into the Star Destroyer, and the entire top of the ship seems to disappear upon impact.

 

Those two shots are getting a big makeover

Still planning on building a SD tower and blowing it up? ;-)

The neighbours won't like that, no they won't :P

Ady, how's work on the models coming along?

mrbenja0618 said:

Sorry... Didn't see your post up there, Ady..... Buddy if this is a joke... PLEASE tell us. We'll all laugh. Honest.

Oh! how I wept (until I saw the pic!)...

The improvement on the shots of the Imperial Fleet approaching Hoth is astonishing and gorgeous! It makes the 2004 DVD look like good old VHS. Actually the quality of the 2004 DVD makes me believe Lucasfilm were trying to hide some weaknesses. However 1979 and 2010 cannot be compared in technical terms. Now that we have solved the technical weaknesses let's get down to some weaknesses of the shot in general. :-)

The Imperial fleet is approaching an unfriendly planet and everyone should have received the command: "battlestations". (except people commanded by Ozzel)
If that command had been given the star destroyers would not be that close to each other. Actually the shot looks like the Executor is doing a RAS (Replenishment at sea) with two star destoyers which endangers half of the fleet. When doing a RAS ships are most vulnerable as fire could hit and destroy all of them (http://www.marine.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/02DB070000000001/W26MUAG9296INFODE/EGV+BERLIN+beim+RAS_05_640.jpg ). Any RAS has the potential of a disaster, it's never a routine. The Executor has actually no reason to approach an unfriendly planet that close to friendly ships as it decreases the maneuverability of the flagship Executor!

If the Imperial fleet is on an attack mission they wouldn't be close together but instead far apart from each other! In the shot Lucasfilm established they are too close together. One, two, three shots of an ion cannon could do maximum damage as the ion cannon could fire at almost the same coordinates without major adjustment!

Ask yourself the question: If you were an Admiral where would you place your ships - Executor and 6 ISDs - if you know where the Rebel base is located?
I would position all those ISDs apart from each other leaving a corridor of destruction for all Rebel ships that will try to escape from Hoth.

That would render Episode 6 unnecessary, I guess. ;-)

That might be the problem: Examing the shots too much.

Regarding the release date of ESB:Revisited: December will still meet the 30th anniversary as the movie has been released in Dec. 1980 in some countries, e. g. Germany. So anything will be "just in time".

Obi-Wan said:

The improvement on the shots of the Imperial Fleet approaching Hoth is astonishing and gorgeous! It makes the 2004 DVD look like good old VHS. Actually the quality of the 2004 DVD makes me believe Lucasfilm were trying to hide some weaknesses. However 1979 and 2010 cannot be compared in technical terms. Now that we have solved the technical weaknesses let's get down to some weaknesses of the shot in general. :-)

The Imperial fleet is approaching an unfriendly planet and everyone should have received the command: "battlestations". (except people commanded by Ozzel)
If that command had been given the star destroyers would not be that close to each other. Actually the shot looks like the Executor is doing a RAS (Replenishment at sea) with two star destoyers which endangers half of the fleet. When doing a RAS ships are most vulnerable as fire could hit and destroy all of them (http://www.marine.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/02DB070000000001/W26MUAG9296INFODE/EGV+BERLIN+beim+RAS_05_640.jpg ). Any RAS has the potential of a disaster, it's never a routine. The Executor has actually no reason to approach an unfriendly planet that close to friendly ships as it decreases the maneuverability of the flagship Executor!

If the Imperial fleet is on an attack mission they wouldn't be close together but instead far apart from each other! In the shot Lucasfilm established they are too close together. One, two, three shots of an ion cannon could do maximum damage as the ion cannon could fire at almost the same coordinates without major adjustment!

Ask yourself the question: If you were an Admiral where would you place your ships - Executor and 6 ISDs - if you know where the Rebel base is located?
I would position all those ISDs apart from each other leaving a corridor of destruction for all Rebel ships that will try to escape from Hoth.

That would render Episode 6 unnecessary, I guess. ;-)

 

Don't forget that the Imperials were just supposed to look like they were passing through the system so they wouldn't be flying in any form of battle formation. This tactic was screwed up when Admiral Ozzel came out of lightspeed close to the planet to surprise the rebels. I see no problem with the formation of the ships in that shot

Lord Grievous said:

Adywan I'm sure you've noticed/fixed this already but there's something that's always bothered me in ESB.

Whenever we see several Star Destroyers in a scene they don't move in relation to each other, because all three were just static props and the camera moved in relation to them. Not always if course, in the asteroid chase scene the three Star Destroyers move in relation to each other, but for example before the Battle of Hoth we see three Star Destroyers in orbit and they all move the same.

Could you perhaps liven them up a bit? Make the two other Star Destroyers move a bit slower/faster than the first one?

Now that we're on the topic of the Star Destroyers near Hoth :)

Could you tell me if you're going to fix this please?

Lord Grievous said:

Now that we're on the topic of the Star Destroyers near Hoth :)

Could you tell me if you're going to fix this please?

Ady already post an Ion cannon clip that shows the new fleet formation.

(and yes he confirmed that the static SD is fixed in the second shot)

-Angel

Arrg, that April fools joke got me, until I realised the date.:P

Good one though, thank god it was only a joke.

How's the "rebuilding" of your flat coming along?

adywan said:

Obi-Wan said:

The improvement on the shots of the Imperial Fleet approaching Hoth is astonishing and gorgeous! It makes the 2004 DVD look like good old VHS. Actually the quality of the 2004 DVD makes me believe Lucasfilm were trying to hide some weaknesses. However 1979 and 2010 cannot be compared in technical terms. Now that we have solved the technical weaknesses let's get down to some weaknesses of the shot in general. :-)

The Imperial fleet is approaching an unfriendly planet and everyone should have received the command: "battlestations". (except people commanded by Ozzel)
If that command had been given the star destroyers would not be that close to each other. Actually the shot looks like the Executor is doing a RAS (Replenishment at sea) with two star destoyers which endangers half of the fleet. When doing a RAS ships are most vulnerable as fire could hit and destroy all of them (http://www.marine.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/02DB070000000001/W26MUAG9296INFODE/EGV+BERLIN+beim+RAS_05_640.jpg ). Any RAS has the potential of a disaster, it's never a routine. The Executor has actually no reason to approach an unfriendly planet that close to friendly ships as it decreases the maneuverability of the flagship Executor!

If the Imperial fleet is on an attack mission they wouldn't be close together but instead far apart from each other! In the shot Lucasfilm established they are too close together. One, two, three shots of an ion cannon could do maximum damage as the ion cannon could fire at almost the same coordinates without major adjustment!

Ask yourself the question: If you were an Admiral where would you place your ships - Executor and 6 ISDs - if you know where the Rebel base is located?
I would position all those ISDs apart from each other leaving a corridor of destruction for all Rebel ships that will try to escape from Hoth.

That would render Episode 6 unnecessary, I guess. ;-)

 

Don't forget that the Imperials were just supposed to look like they were passing through the system so they wouldn't be flying in any form of battle formation. This tactic was screwed up when Admiral Ozzel came out of lightspeed close to the planet to surprise the rebels. I see no problem with the formation of the ships in that shot

Unless you're a full blown military strategist for a space battle, for the casual veiwer of ESB that approach formation doesn't matter (other than looking really cool =D).

However, you should also note that, unlike ships in formation on a ocean which can only follow a X/Y-axis on a Cartesian coordinate system, in space you also have the Z-axis in which ships can break "up" or "down" relative to position (as their is no real "up" or "down" in space) to evade enemy fire as well as roll their ships to expose a shielded side to incoming fire if shields have collapsed on the opposite side..

Also recall that the Hoth System has an asteroid field near by "with all the asteroid activity in this sector it's going to be hard to detect approaching ships" and the ensuing asteroid field chase... This also means that hyperspace routes in and out of the system are extremely limited as well. So spreading out the fleet could only take place after they have jumped into the system. Furthermore to concentrate a opening formation directly toward a possible hostile planet (Admiral Ozzel was skeptical there Rebels were even there after all) meant that they were over confident to begin with. It's also likely that the Empire didn't expect the Rebels to have a KDY 150-v Planet Defender Class ion cannon and thus spread their net thin for their "catch of the day".

Any other questions class? =D

Where do babies come from?

Lord Grievous said:

Where do babies come from?

I am a biologist actually... could go into it if you really want. =D

No, someone explained it to me just now:

You do pelvic thrusts whilst skiing?

Nice one!

I've been thinking two-dimensional overlooking the Z-axis. But so did three ISD-captains pursuing the Falcon in its escape from Hoth. What were our Imperial space strategists thinking in that situation?

Having a second look at the star destroyers closing in on Hoth:

It would be more impressive if the star destroyer on the portside of the Executor would be much closer to the camera, because:

1. it would look more menacing,

2. it would avoid the size comparison to the Executor
(which never made an impression to me as the ISD appears to be small),

3. it would allow an undisturbed impression of the wedged shape of the Executor by showing the full portside pointing towards Hoth.

I think it's fine as-is.  If anything I could see maybe 2 or 3 SDs far in front of the Executor and it's 2 escorts (say add one to the left and center that are the same size or even a bit smaller than the one way out in front directly to the right of Hoth), and show them moving to the left, top and right (spreading out, forming the outer part of the net).  If there was any problem I have with that shot, it's that I'm left saying: "where's the fleet?"

I would at least move that SD beside the Executor's right and move it little bit more to the right (or top) and put some space between the two.  Right now it looks like the driver could easily make a slight left turn and wreck right into the SSD conning tower.

Lord Grievous said:

That joke's wearing rather thin by now :|

Huh... I always get a kick out of Ric's posts.  Different strokes for different folks, I guess.