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Gaffer brings another wonderful review to light!  Very well made, like how you used the full 16:9 screen you were given on the YouTube.  I think its funny that you recorded your laptop and little TV/VCR combo side by side, but it worked great for what you were showing!

That reminds me that I need to make a blog post on my biggest pet peeve, improper aspect ratios!

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Ah, glad Warbler brought up points for debate, as I knew that would be controversial.

First off, I agree that some of those points should never have been cut out in the first place. I even said as much that I thought "Cool, Considerate Men" was a good song that furthered the character. And I even directly stated that cutting the material was as big a crime in my book as supressing the theatrical cut. However, to avoid any kind of hypocrisy, I always side with the theatrical cut. After all, it was the only thing for 30 years. I didn't have time to mention this in my review, but what got me doing this was the fact that I ran across the used VHS at a local used book store. I hadn't seen it in a couple of years, and that had only been one time. Watching it through, I was already aware that "Cool, Considerate Men" had been cut out and all the reasons why. But I actually couldn't figure out where it was supposed to be, and nothing felt like it was missing. When I found the DVD for the purpose of having material I could get on my computer, I was quite surprised at all the material (nearly half an hour's worth) that had been put back in. All of it was enjoyable. Some of it was worth having back in, some of it didn't add or subtract anything of considerable substance, but it was certainly fun comparing and analyzing the two for my own personal curiosity. Turns out they actually cut around the deleted stuff quite creatively, or at least I thought so.

And, yes, I also agree that the film should have been as close to the play as possible, and I look at the Director's Cut as a closer means of achieving that. However, film being a moment in time, I can't help but see the theatrical cut as what the film turned out to be. And if I complain about Star Wars but not this, I feel like a hypocrite even though the circumstances are different. The impression I got from listening to the commentary (aside from them basically paraphrasing the dialogue for three hours... ugh) was, "Well, Jack Warner was nice enough to produce this movie for us, but he didn't really do everything how we wanted him to. Fortunately, he's dead now, so we can basically nullify every action he made in reference to this." And that's not saying I don't think the new version isn't an improvement. I think in a lot of ways it is, but that's not the point. Like I said in my video, it would have been great if they had branched the versions. And you're not the only one who suffered at the loss of the deleted scoring. I really wanted to use the instrumental of "The Egg" that was originally used in Franklin's introduction to score my "on camera" segment, but since it was only on the VHS, and I don't have a video capture card, and I couldn't find it on YouTube, I had to give up that dream.

Oh, and just in case I wasn't clear in the video, I do disagree with Nixon coercing Warner to cut "Cool, Considerate Men," and I think the film benefits by having it restored. What I was trying to say, though, is that I think the song suffers from being too ridiculously blatant in its political ideology to the point that I can certainly understand why Nixon would consider it insulting. But understanding and condoning are two different things. But since it was done, thereby becoming a part of history, that action deserves to be preserved.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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here's how I look at it.   I always want to have the original version of something.   With Star Wars, the original version was the movie  as made and released back in 1977.   With 1776,  the original version was not the movie as made in 1972, but was the original Broadway Musical.  So I don't have a big problem changing the movie to make it closer to the Broadway version.  Also, unlike Lucas with Star Wars,  I have little reason to doubt that the director's cut is how he wanted the picture released in 1972.   I do not believe it is a case of the director changing his mind and then altering his movie and giving us an excuse(as Lucas did).    Another thing to keep in mind,  the "new" scenes weren't really new.  They were filmed back in 1972,  no cgi was added.  I don't believe any editing of them as was done to them other than what was done back in 1972.   With the exception of the deleted scoring,  no other changes were made other than adding new scenes.   You can fast forward past the added scenes and you'll practically be watching the exact same movie as released in 1972(with the exception of the deleted scoring).  You can't do that with the SE.  For those reasons, I don't have as big a problem with the alteration of 1776 as I do with the alteration of the Star Wars Trilogy.  I do agree, however, that both versions should be released and I hope they do so when it comes to blu-ray.   I guess I another reason the director's cut didn't upset me so much was the fact that I was just happy the be able to finally watch it in widescreen instead of pan and scam.    I can't really say the Vhs version the original theatrical version,   the original theatrical version was not in pan in scam.  

Still the Vhs tape was alot better than the version of the movie I had when I first started watching 1776 every 4th of July.  I started watching way before the prerecorde Vhs tapes were a fad.   The only thing I had was a tape of it my father had recorded of it off of channel 29.   It commercials and scenes were cut and language was censored.   When the Vhs tape was released, my parents it was too expensive and couldn't get.  This was back when precorded Vhs tapes were expensive.  I believe back then 1776 cost over $50.00.     We really didn't have alot of money, and we all knew the price was bound to come down at some point, so I really couldn't blame my parents for not wanting to spend that kind money for 1 movie.  I can remember year after year of looking at new movies unlimited catalogs to see of the price had finally dropped.   Eventually,  I rented it and we dubbed it.    Picture and audio quality weren't that great but at least it was complete and uncensored and without commercials.  One weird thing about the vhs tape that I rented was that on the back of it's box,   it had a picture of some of the founding fathers dancing in front of Independence Hall.   In the version of the movie I had watched at time,  there was no scene of the founding fathers dancing in front of Independence Hall.   Because I had the CD of the music for the original Broadway show,  I knew of the missing "Cool Consider Men" number.   But, at that time, I had no idea it was filmed or why it was cut.    When I saw the picture on the back of the box,  I wondered if it was from "Cool Considerate Men".   Had they actually made the scene and cut it?    Was the scene actually in the Vhs version I had rented?   Unfortunately, it was.   Why they put a scene on the back of the Vhs box that wasn't on the tape, I'll never understand.  But, it kept me wondering for years, where that picture of the founding fathering dancing came from.   Finally the price came down and I was able to get the tape.    But of course, the tape did not contain "Cool Considerate Men" and the mystery remained.   It was not until July 4th, 2004.   That the answer came.   That was when I got, as an early birthday present(my birthday is on July 10th), the DVD version of the movie.    Until that point, I had no idea "Cool Considerate Men" was back in or that it even existed.   I course, watched the movie that night and, to my surprise,  "Cool Considerate Men" was  there and my mystery was solved.   The picture on the back of the old VHS tape was indeed from "Cool Considerate Men".    It may seem strange to you, but finally having that scene to me was like finding the holy grail. 

I only wish they could do the same kind of thing for my Dad's favorite musical, Guys and Dolls.   Hollywood really butchered that musical.   Five songs are cut from the movie.  "A Bushel And A Peck",  "I've Never Been In Love Before",  "My Time Of Night",  "More I Can Not Wish You",  and worst of all because contains very important plot points "Marry The Man Today".  I have to believe that some of those numbers were filmed.   I like to get of a hold of the people that made that movie and strangle them for what they did to "Guys And Dolls".     Hollywood should be arrested for the travesties they've committed to Broadway Musicals.  

sorry for the giant run-on post.        

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doubleofive said:

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

I totally agree with everything you said in your rant.    I remember one time a local tv station was show some three stooges shorts.   As you know, they are all 4:3.    They stretched the image on their HD channel.  But it gets even worse.   We still have some standard TVs in the house.   I turned on the standard version of that station.  Guess what they did? They showed the image they were showing their HD channel but the sides cut off!  That's right,  they took a 4:3 image,  stretched it to 16:9 proportions, and cut the sides off to make it 4:3 again.  That, is the definition of insanity. 

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Wow, I've never heard of anything like that, but I have noticed that Fox's SD channel consistently is 4:3, but the programing is obviously cut off on the sides due to the fact that the "FOX in High Definition" watermark that runs on both the SD and HD goes off the edge of the screen on the SD station!

Like I said, all of my HD locals have the right ratios, even The CW!

EDIT: I'm going to start a new thread on this, and stop taking over Gaff's!

EDIT2: I've never had good luck with my own threads, so nevermind!

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Haha, feel free to take this over because Gaffer Tape fully supports aspect ratio awareness!  Sometimes I wish we'd never made the jump to widescreen TVs because nearly all of my friends fuck up the picture like that, and it makes me want to pull my hair out!  Or punch someone!  Or pull someone's hair out while punching him!

But, yeah, Warbler, I certainly see what you're saying, and I do recognize that it's a stickier situation than Star Wars, but in my mind it all comes out the same in the end.  Usually I would just say to throw that stuff in the deleted scenes section and not even bother to petition for multiple branching versions, but I do feel that in this case it would be nice.

Oh, and that said, there are a few very minor things I learned while making this video.  Well, actually, a slightly larger one first.  It's not quite possible to view some of it as it was theatrically, even if you skip over added footage.  The fire wagon scene for instance, had to be recut to make sense once that part was taken out, in order to have the delegates run out of the building when Lee arrives rather than when they see the wagon.  But I'm sure you already knew that.  But the fun thing (well, quite annoying for me when I was trying to film both versions side by side) is that, even when nothing else was changed, they'd occasionally get just a little bit out of sync by just a few frames.  It almost seems like the whole thing was recut from the ground up, and they failed to get it exactly right.  Again, a nitpick, but something I would not have noticed had I not tried to put them side by side.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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hmm,  I'll have to re-watch the fire wagon scene and compare it to the original.  I actually didn't notice.   All the more reason to have the theatrical cut released.   This is why I say release both versions.   You(and probably others) prefer the original.    I kinda prefer the director's cut(even though I still have the original released),  its the one that is closest to the Broadway musical.  The solution?  make both of us happy by releasing both versions.

As for you widescreen thing, yeah it can get a bit annoying to see others botch it by messing up the settings on their TVs or having the picture ratio improperly broadcast.  Still, when I watch a widescreen movie on my new HD TV(with everything set properly),  it is a big improvement over watching a Widescreen movie on a standard tv.  A Big improvement. 

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Oh, no, I didn't say that.  In a lot of ways, I probably prefer the director's cut, but I never think about it in respect to what I like, only in respect to what it is, and what 1776 the film is is the theatrical cut, even though I disagree with a lot of the meddling that got it there and think the director's cut might be slightly better.

Haha, if you want itemizing, I prefer "Cool, Considerate Men" to be in the picture because Dickinson needs a song, and it's a good one.  I like the main titles being restored.  The music removal I'm not sure of.  I like both versions.  Most of the other additions are nice but never seemed lacking in the original as it still flowed pretty well.  I can't say I like the fire wagon scene at all.  It just seems pretty pointless, and I can certainly understand why they cut it out originally.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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yeah, I'll agree it does seem pretty pointless.  I still have to check it out.  I still seem to remember in the original, it doesn't showing them going outside, it just showed them coming back inside,  the fire wagon scene at least explained how they got outside.  But, again,  I have to take a look at the original to confirm.

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Before it was cut down, Dr. Bartlett was proposing a plan to cut down on funeral expenses, when MacNair opens the window and yells, "Fire wagon!"  It cuts to a shot of the delgates running out of the room.  Then they gather on the street and wonder what's on fire, when Lee returns and yells his whooping yell.  They all run over to him and escort him back inside.

After it was cut down, when MacNair opens the window, you hear Lee's whooping yell, then it cuts to the shot of all the delegates running outside.  They all run over to him and escort him back inside.  So basically they used the shot of them running outside for the fire wagon and changed the motive so that they're running to meet Lee instead.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Come on!  "Leave Richard Henry Lee of Virginia Alone"?!?!?  That's genius!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

I totally agree with everything you said in your rant.    I remember one time a local tv station was show some three stooges shorts.   As you know, they are all 4:3.    They stretched the image on their HD channel.  But it gets even worse.   We still have some standard TVs in the house.   I turned on the standard version of that station.  Guess what they did? They showed the image they were showing their HD channel but the sides cut off!  That's right,  they took a 4:3 image,  stretched it to 16:9 proportions, and cut the sides off to make it 4:3 again.  That, is the definition of insanity. 

Warb, you mind posting your story on my blog, or can I do it with your permission?

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Because you asked for it!  Because you demanded it!  Because half of my total video uploads are from a single video on my roster! 

A sequel...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcroY9V0ACg

Dragon Box Z 2:  The Sequel!

And I swear that Wonder Woman is next.  I promise.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Man, why do you always post these when I have no access to youtube and then I forget later?

Tell you what - send me a PM to remind me.

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Alright!  It's that time again, where I whine that I don't have a proper name or identity for my YouTube internet show, solicit you all for your help, and then reject all of your ideas out of hand!  How could you not have missed this?

But, yes, I'm beginning to feel like Richie, Potsie, and Ralph from Happy Days where it became a running gag in the show that they were just "the band" because they had no name.  "Gaffer Tape's YouTube Reviews of Awesome Candy-Creating Goodness!" doesn't fit in the YouTube naming box, nor is it easy to remember.  I considered my segment name, "Obscure Nerdy Trivia You Neither Knew Nor Cared About," but again too long and not easily remembered. 

Then I remember that I feel somewhat limited by my abysmal YouTube user name, MistareFusion, so I wonder if I should show some brand recognition and try to incorporate the word Fusion into it, like Fusion Theatre or Fusion Consortium or The Fusion Syndicate.  But I don't know how much I like any of those, nor do I know if it's descriptive enough.  Should I have some synonym of "nerd' in there?  Geek?  Dork?  Socially inept, college-educated retail clerk?  Possesser of poor lighting, computer, and camera equipment?

And then, with a name secured, I would need a logo of some sort.  005 over there has his own logo.  I need a logo too!  But I know absolutely nothing about graphic design.  It took me over an hour just to use the magic wand tool successfully enough to get that Dragon Ball Z logo I used at the beginning of today's video.  So a name would be an identity and a theme as well.  Hmm, what to do?

HELP!!!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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So... The Fusion Syndicate?  Does that have any support?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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doubleofive said:

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Not on topic completely, but Gaff will understand:

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/aspect-ratios-a-primer/

The rant I mentioned a post ago has become a reality!

I totally agree with everything you said in your rant.    I remember one time a local tv station was show some three stooges shorts.   As you know, they are all 4:3.    They stretched the image on their HD channel.  But it gets even worse.   We still have some standard TVs in the house.   I turned on the standard version of that station.  Guess what they did? They showed the image they were showing their HD channel but the sides cut off!  That's right,  they took a 4:3 image,  stretched it to 16:9 proportions, and cut the sides off to make it 4:3 again.  That, is the definition of insanity. 

Warb, you mind posting your story on my blog, or can I do it with your permission?

you absolutely have my permission to post this story on your blog.  I'm  sorry I took so long getting back to you.   I somehow missed your question and then the thread dropped to the 2nd page.   

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Gaffer Tape said:

And then, with a name secured, I would need a logo of some sort.  005 over there has his own logo.  I need a logo too!  But I know absolutely nothing about graphic design.  It took me over an hour just to use the magic wand tool successfully enough to get that Dragon Ball Z logo I used at the beginning of today's video.  So a name would be an identity and a theme as well.  Hmm, what to do?

HELP!!!

Dayv would probably be a good person to ask about the logo.  I believe he's pretty good when it comes to that graphic design stuff. 

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Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

And then, with a name secured, I would need a logo of some sort.  005 over there has his own logo.  I need a logo too!  But I know absolutely nothing about graphic design.  It took me over an hour just to use the magic wand tool successfully enough to get that Dragon Ball Z logo I used at the beginning of today's video.  So a name would be an identity and a theme as well.  Hmm, what to do?

HELP!!!

Dayv would probably be a good person to ask about the logo.  I believe he's pretty good when it comes to that graphic design stuff. 

I CAN DO IT.  PM YOUR LOGO IDEAS, AND I'LL DESIGN SOMETHING FOR YOU.

"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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College-Educated Retail Clerk's Review. I like it.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

And then, with a name secured, I would need a logo of some sort.  005 over there has his own logo.  I need a logo too!  But I know absolutely nothing about graphic design.  It took me over an hour just to use the magic wand tool successfully enough to get that Dragon Ball Z logo I used at the beginning of today's video.  So a name would be an identity and a theme as well.  Hmm, what to do?

HELP!!!

Dayv would probably be a good person to ask about the logo.  I believe he's pretty good when it comes to that graphic design stuff. 

I CAN DO IT.  PM YOUR LOGO IDEAS, AND I'LL DESIGN SOMETHING FOR YOU.

Awesome!  Thanks!  I'll send you a PM once I... actually have ideas and stuff.  =P

And, C3PX, while that name does have some charm to it... it actually depresses me far too much to officially align that identity to myself.  also =P

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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oops.

How about Posting Without Thinking Then Having to Say "Oops"?

I find it catchy, but maybe not so relevant.

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Aw... I get the feeling I missed some nugget of gold with that edit.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.