Warbler said:
don't you think any of increase in the cost of healthcare has to do with advancement in medicine? If people had to pay for doctor visits themselves, they'd go bankrupt very quickly. Do you realize how much things like EKGs and echo cardiograms and stress tests and the like cost?
I firmly believe it would all go down in price if the free were allowed to flourish.
maybe in the long term, but I doubt it. In the short term, I guarantee you people would be going bankrupt and/or dying from curable illnesses right and left.
Warbler said:
maybe in the long term, but I doubt it. In the short term, I guarantee you people would be going bankrupt and/or dying from curable illnesses right and left.
To be honest cardiograms and EKG's should be covered under any insurance plan. A stress test could be straight out of pocket.
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
xhonzi said:
Arguably, the defense of this nation defends you whether you like it or not, because it's defending a whole nation and not just a single person. It's a "national" issue and it's provided for in the Constitution.
Healthcare is a "personal" issue because the fees are being paid one patient at a time. 90% of the people paying for it won't be protected by it. It's definitely a "Person A makes Person B pay for Person C" proposition. If person or People A care so much about People C, then let them pay for them and leave Person B (that's me) alone.
What about the health of the nation?
I wouldn't want to pick up a virus and possibly die from it because someone down the line wants to save a bit of money by not paying for having their infection treated (or they just can't afford it).
Similarly I don't want to pay more on my electricity bills because some of the people who work at some of the power stations are falling sick because they are skimping on their health insurance.
Disease should be treated like any other invader.
If China invaded the US I doubt if the American people would stand for a policy that went along the lines of "You can buy a gun and kick the guys out of your house, hope some charitable rich guy will get a group of mercenaries together or sign up to our paid militia plan and if your personal invasion reaction needs meet our criteria we will send in someone in to flush the invaders out of your house only".
Health care is exactly like defense, it effects all of us and to be effective it needs to have a co-ordinated and universal approach to handling it.
If it's to be a pick and choose thing on the war against disease it should be a pick and choose thing on the war against people with bombs.
Warbler said:
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
You're right, none of them should be covered.
Warb, you should have quit while you were ahead. Now we have to pay for all of these tests!
;-)
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
You're right, none of them should be covered.
I don't get it, first you say Echo cardiograms and EKG's should be covered but not stress tests. When I ask you why, you change your mind and say none should be covered. Please explain.
Warbler said:
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
You're right, none of them should be covered.
I don't get it, first you say Echo cardiograms and EKG's should be covered but not stress tests. When I ask you why, you change your mind and say none should be covered. Please explain.
Nah. Nevermind. Leave it to Dear Leader Obama to decide.
*sigh*
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
You're right, none of them should be covered.
I don't get it, first you say Echo cardiograms and EKG's should be covered but not stress tests. When I ask you why, you change your mind and say none should be covered. Please explain.
Nah. Nevermind. Leave it to Dear Leader Obama to decide.
Like giving free breathalyzers to kids. Available in all 57 states.
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57? I thought we only had 50.
Warbler said:
57? I thought we only had 50.
EDIT: Ferris beat me to it. But my posting of the exact same link was better!
Okay then, here's Chairman Obama on breathalyzers:
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I'm sure he realizes we only have 50 states. At least he can pronounce the word nuclear correctly.
Why does he think asthmatic children need breathalyzers?
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he misspoke. We've never a President make a gaffe before right?
So why is there always a shitfit whenever a conservative or Republican makes a gaffe? I thought, thanks to eight years of out-of-proportion ridicule, this is what we're supposed to do whenever a political figure screws up a speech.
At least Bush was the same speaker with or without the teleprompter. You take Obama's golden spoon away, he's the same blithering idiot Bush was. I take that back - Obama's worse, because the crap he believes in is destroying my country.
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*sigh* then I guess the country is doomed. : (
As Senator Amidala stated "So this is how liberty dies, with the passing of healthcare legislation."
TV's Frink said:
Don't forget about old wrinkled dudes!
*sniff* He was so old :-(
This joke worked better before the avatar change.
:-(
xhonzi said:
Here's my solution:
Have the gov't set up a fund. When you file your taxes, you can elect to send your return or any percentage (even 0%) of your income to this fund. From this fund the gov't can provide healthcare for the uninsured.
Since "most" of the American people "wanted" gov't run healthcare, finding moneys for this fund shouldn't be a problem, right? And so the people without healthcare can have it, the people who want to pay for it can, and the people who don't want to have anything to do with it can stay as far away as possible!
There's your "Public Option!"
What do you think?
that's no good. Then the wealthy can opt out of it and those on the lower end of the economic spectrum still dont have enough money for healthcare. Honestly if that's the plan then there's no point in having a plan :/. I believe that someone's health and well being is too big an issue to be dependent on the size of one's wallet, but that's just me. I'm not totally happy with the new plan, which, as I understand (and I wouldn't call myself the most politically saavy person on the planet), still puts peoples well being in the hands of insurance companies, but If it gets more people decent healthcare it's an improvement IMO.
vote_for_palpatine said:
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
You're right, none of them should be covered.
I don't get it, first you say Echo cardiograms and EKG's should be covered but not stress tests. When I ask you why, you change your mind and say none should be covered. Please explain.
Nah. Nevermind. Leave it to Dear Leader Obama to decide.
Like giving free breathalyzers to kids. Available in all 57 states.
He clearly meant 47 -_-....And I like how you guys are comparing this unabashed moderate to a communist.
The only reason I compare Obama to a communist is this: he believes in the redistribution of wealth. I admit I'm out of line here. I mean, what could be less communist than the redistribution of wealth?
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Octorox said:
vote_for_palpatine said:
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
ferris209 said:
Warbler said:
why cardiograms and Ekg's be covered and not stress tests?
You're right, none of them should be covered.
I don't get it, first you say Echo cardiograms and EKG's should be covered but not stress tests. When I ask you why, you change your mind and say none should be covered. Please explain.
Nah. Nevermind. Leave it to Dear Leader Obama to decide.
Like giving free breathalyzers to kids. Available in all 57 states.
He clearly meant 47 -_-....And I like how you guys are comparing this unabashed moderate to a communist.
You honestly think Obama is a moderate? That is insane.
vote_for_palpatine said:
The only reason I compare Obama to a communist is this: he believes in the redistribution of wealth. I admit I'm out of line here. I mean, what could be less communist than the redistribution of wealth?
So then was FDR also comparable to a communist? Was I mean how is Social Security not redistribution of wealth? Then again, I'm sure his New Deal met similar resistance in it's time.
