"Blue Water" Dragon Ball Z? (* unfinished project *) — Page 2

Quite possible, once it can be procured.

THREAD NECROMANCY !!!!!

With the third Region 1 Dragon Box coming out at the beginning of May the source I need for the first 4 episodes of this project will be much easier to obtain and higher quality than the source I currently have for the first 3 episodes.

Also with the first disc of the third box I will have enough footage to complete the opening (which I am making by pasting the changed footage onto the Saban opening - there are only 5 shots which differ).  It will take longer to complete the ending.

R2s have presented themselves, so I have been acquiring those.

I am currently 4 shots away from finishing the ending.  If there is still an R2 of the disc with ep.87 where I found the others I will be lucky to be able to get it; it may be easier to just wait it out, and I will complete the two shots in the opening when the R1 shows up.

Still looking for the font though.

Parade.

I've uploaded a beta "Dragon Box source" 108 (first episode of this dub).

Uploading a couple not-quite-finished episodes as sample footage will give a general idea where I'm going, for when I try to make DVDs with the *finished* episodes later.

Keep in mind the scope of this project... [b]169 episodes[/i]... over 50 hours of footage which needs to be rebuilt over the various DVD sources for video and TV rips for audio.  It's a bit more intensive, I think, than doing movies, although not being a fan edit it doesn't take nearly the effort of something like Adywan's work.

The goal is DVDs 5-per, but I will periodically upload MP4s as well.  The MP4s may be missing "paint" or even proper title cards but will otherwise be complete down to the closing logo bumper.  (I have several episodes with the bumper.  The copy on the MP4, however, is derived from a DVD released by Bridge in the Netherlands.)

On this MP4 you can see the completed opening and closing.  The title cards, taken from the Funimation singles (Trunks-2), are TV-authentic.  3 quick shots in the ED and two shots in the OP are also from the Funi singles.  The remainder is taken from R2 DVDs (Dragon Box).  The end credits may be slightly off in color and size; the text is accurate, and I fixed a spelling error ("Dissuke Nishio" is corrected to "Daisuke Nishio").  As mentioned above, the episode is missing the "paint" (which in this case means the removal of Briefs' cigarette has not been done).  I may consider also for the final version adding two pairs of fades - one at the beginning of the recap, and one at the end of the episode (next ep preview) - to hide small gaps in the audio.

Again, this is the Canadian-produced dub, broadcast but never released to home video.  As far as I am aware, all the voice actors except for Bulma's are the same as they were in the Saban dub with Maggie Blue O'Hara taking Bulma's role (iirc, she also played Bulma in the initial Funimation dub, by BLT Productions, of Dragon Ball).  Peter Kelamis is Goku.  Brian "OVER 9000!" Drummond is Vegeta.  Scott McNeil is Piccolo. Et cetera.  And the narrator doesn't sound like he's trying to force an impression of Don LaFontaine.  Certain music is apparently lifted from two other series which Ocean Group recorded.

One thing I observed: The Funi single of this ep is slightly zoomed in.  You do get a little more picture from the Dragon Box.

http://www.multiupload.com/1525VX3XN6

Nice work so far. Perhaps the best eventual output would be single episode avis/mp4s? DVDs covering 169 episodes is a lot of work for yourself. Congrats on finding the credit font most of all because I know how satisfying it can be to track down that typeface you've been searching an age to find.

I'm more keen to do this with the 'Blue Water' GT dub as I used to have an RM/RMVB set of all 64 eps featuring that dub... and lost them in a hard drive crash. DBGT was one of the first anime that I watched subbed and I remember being thrilled to be able to watch a dubbed version that I stumbled across online.

klokwerk said:

Nice work so far. Perhaps the best eventual output would be single episode avis/mp4s? DVDs covering 169 episodes is a lot of work for yourself. Congrats on finding the credit font most of all because I know how satisfying it can be to track down that typeface you've been searching an age to find.

I'm more keen to do this with the 'Blue Water' GT dub as I used to have an RM/RMVB set of all 64 eps featuring that dub... and lost them in a hard drive crash. DBGT was one of the first anime that I watched subbed and I remember being thrilled to be able to watch a dubbed version that I stumbled across online.

DVDs aren't that much more work than mp4s, but I'll probably do both.

I'll periodically upload a few (but not all) episodes as sample clips, before I do the mass uploading on torrent for larger portions.

I think there's people collecting the Blue Water GT as well.  I might try that too, I know there's WMVs/AVIs/MPGs of it floating around.  I no longer have the ISOs for it but that's fixable (and I do still have good rips of the whole series).

If it helps at all, while I don't have the original DVDs any more (save a few in the garage maybe)... I do have the entire run from the first Trunks episode all the way to the end of the cell games. So 'Season 3' in the initial DVD releases. They're PAL R4 discs but if you can use the picture/audio from these in anyway to help with patches or whatever... maybe I can help out.

I live in Australia, it's been a while since we traded PMs but I believe you're in the UK? 

I'm in the US.  The most I could prolly make out of the R4s is title cards... although someone is uploading the original batch of R1s, and someone else is uploading the R2s, so mostly I'm just waiting around.  I have managed to acquire the one Trunks disc I need, as well as 3 others.

The dub on the R4s is the same dub as the R1s - unfortunately.  So for audio, it really won't help.  And for video, it won't really help either - although another person is working on a version from the PAL DVDs - I would rather work from NTSC.

I may yet be able to do one episode from the current batch, depending on if I am right about it being on the discs I have already managed to source - "The Last Defense", #144/159.  Without title card patches I can do a few more; my R2 source is up to 204/219 ("Energy Drain") but a lot of those episodes are missing recaps and previews, and several are even incomplete for the main episode.

The eps which I can complete, with or without title card replacements or paintovers, using Saban-relative ep numbers (i.e., 108 not 123): 108-112, 114, 144, 147, 151-152, 154, 156, 187, 189, 192-194.

When more DVD source arrives I can also complete likewise: 221, 226-227, 229-230, 232-248, 250-254, 256-268.

The following episodes are missing portions of the episode themselves:

145/160 Cell is Complete
175/190 The Horror Won't End
176/191 Save the World
177/192 Goku's Noble Decision
183/198 Final Round
184/199 Goku vs. Pikkon
185/200 Gohan Goes to High School
186/201 I Am Saiyaman
188/203 Rescue Videl
190/205 I'll Fight Too!
197/212 Best of the Boys
204/219 Energy Drain
223/238 Evil Lives On
224/239 Find the Dragon Balls
227/242 Learn to Fuse (small gap between pieces of the episode)

Unfortunately, there seems to be no source better than what has been unearthed already at Cartoon-World's forums (which has yielded several complete episodes already that have been elusive).

I have the proper eyecatch for episodes 185/200 and onward (it's the Japanese one with new BGM).

Decided to take a whack at 144 (The Last Defense) for something different.  I'll prolly have that one up later tonight or tomorrow.

The audio quality is bad... the video quality worse.  I get the feeling the source was a well-played EP tape.  The presence of a "NEW!" watermark under the Cartoon Network logo at times suggests that this was taped the first time it aired in the UK.  (It's almost certainly a UK airing - it's PAL and has no hardsubs, which for this dub means either UK or Ireland.)

http://www.multiupload.com/SY0V53XM88

Again, full eps are my sample clips, but consider the sheer size of the project :P

This is episode 144 "Cell Is CompleteThe Last Defense".  The audio quality leaves much to be desired (seems to be a 10-year-old VHS, judging by the "NEW!" watermarks occasionally dangling off the CN logo).  I am not seeing any other source, not even with Dutch subs...

I've only got a few more eps I can do before I run out of R2.  The list of archived complete eps with recap and preview (as in the existing source, not my restoration) is:

108 123 Goku's Special Technique* (first ep of the dub)
109 124 Z Warriors Prepare*
110 125 Goku's Ordeal*
111 126 The Androids Appear*
112 127 A Handy Trick*
114 129 Upgrade To Super Saiyan
144 159 The Last Defense*
147 162 Trunks Ascends
151 166 What is the Tournament?
152 167 The Doomsday Broadcast
154 169 No Worries Here
156 171 Memories of Gohan
187 202 Gohan's First Date
189 204 Blackmail
192 207 Take Flight Videl
193 208 Gather for the Tournament
194 209 Camera Shy
221 236 The Warrior's Decision
226 241 Global Announcement
228 243 The Z Sword
229 244 Race to Capsule Corp.
230 245 Super Saiyan 3?!
232 247 The Fusion Dance
233 248 Goku's Time is Up
234 249 Return to the Other World
235 250 Out From the Broken Sword
236 251 Gotenks Is Born
237 252 Unlikely Friendship
238 253 I Kill No More
239 254 The Evil of Men
240 255 Buu Against Buu
241 256 Empty Planet
242 257 Time Struggle
243 258 Super Moves of Gotenks
244 259 Trapped in Forever
245 260 Feeding Frenzy
246 261 Gotenks Is Awesome!
247 262 Unlucky Break
248 263 A Whole New Gohan
250 265 Majin Buu Transforms
251 266 The Old Kai Weapon
252 267 Ready to Fuse?
253 268 Union of Rivals
254 269 Meet Vegito
256 271 Vegito Downsized
257 272 The Incredible Fighting Candy
258 273 The Innards of Buu
259 274 Mind Trap
260 275 Deadly Vision
261 276 Evil Kid Buu!
262 277 End of Earth
263 278 True Saiyans Fight Alone
264 279 Battle for the Universe Begins
265 280 Vegeta's Respect
266 281 Minute of Desperation
267 282 Old Buu Emerges
268 283 Earth Reborn

The eps marked * have been edited, though some are missing paintovers.  (276/291 is the last episode.)

The other (unlisted) episodes are missing one, the other, both, or even (in a few cases) part of the episode.

I have the eyecatch used for episodes 185/200 and later.  It is the same eyecatch used in Japan, with different BGM.  I have no idea what, if any, eyecatch was used for 108/123-184/199.

AFAICT, there was one closing logo bumper (AB Distribution); an NTSC-ized version of this has been attached to the closing credits for my encodes.

Apparently, the two versions of the ED were used in different episodes in different regions!  I believe the most logical route, despite my sources, would be to switch at 185.

So wait, have I read it right that the widescreen release was so unpopular that Funimation decided to go back and put the same show out again in standard?

What is there to preserve then, a different dub? Why needs to be modified with the openings and endings, the names of the English voice actors (because they're different?).

There's two English dubs. One edited for TV aired in Canada, as well as the UK and a few various European countries. This remains unreleased, and is what is being preserved.

Correct.

I'm still acquiring additional source.  I still have episodes missing recaps and previews, but thanks to a contact of mine another source of several episodes has been found.

The source I am using is the original R1 release from 2001-2002 for the title cards, and the R2 release (same masters as the current R1 release) for everything else.