My S'lution to Gov't H'care — Page 2

The Postal Service?  Are they still around?

No idea.  Wiki sounds unsure too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postal_Service#Second_album

Wait...you weren't talking about the USPS were you?  If so, they're soon to be only around 5 days a week instead of 6.

Maybe that's the healthcare solution we need.  Only have hospitals be open 5 days a week.  Anyone could afford that.

Or how about you get one really good hospital visit, and then you sit around for years waiting and wondering if you will ever get a second one.

xhonzi said:

So... why healthcare?  Why has this become the one thing all people must have, even if it means that the cost of it must be hoisted upon the taxpayers?  Why isn't it postal service?  Or cars?  Or clothes?  OR FOOD?

OR HOUSES?

 

 

I guess we already have welfare for those don't we...

 

 

Healthcare is more expensive than food(we do have food stamps), cheap clothes from Walmart,  or even a cheap Apartment.     You don't need a car, you can take public transportation.    People making $10 an hour can probably afford these things.   Healthcare is another story,  it can be very very expense.    There is no such thing as food or clothes insurance.    But we do have health insurance.   Why?  because of the cost.  As for the postal service, correct me if I'm wrong,  the government runs that doesn't it? 

Why are Conservatives so opposed to making sure everyone gets proper health care?  What is so wrong with that?   

Putting aside politics for the moment...

Do you not currently have healthcare insurance?  Why?

(I understand if you don't wish to answer)

So, what would happen if you got sick?

vote_for_palpatine said:

Bottom line is that providing proper health care for everyone is the Trojan horse which will bring the further destruction of individual rights.

yes that's right, its all part of a deep dark plan to eliminate individual rights and bring about Communism.  WE WILL TAKE OVER EVERYTHING!  COMRADES!  THE GLORIOUS MARXIST REVOLUTION IS UPON US!  DOWN WITH THE CAPITALISTS!!!!   GLORY TO OBAMA!!!!!!    

Holy shit, they finally made Warbler snap.

I'm sorry I mocked you position. But I just see a big difference between passing the health care legislation and having the government take complete and total control of our lives.    You may think that is the goal of Obama and the Dems, I just don't see it.

vote_for_palpatine said:

And yes. Wealth is earned. Not distributed.

I'm not talking about making everyone rich.  I'm talking about making sure everyone has proper health care.  

you won't get arrested, just fined.  

I'm sorry but if the rich person thinks the money is better in his pocket, collecting dust, than helping to save someone's life,  maybe he is evil? 

and I thought we were taxing everyone, not just the rich.  

why is it ok to tax the rich for money to make war but not medicine?

vote_for_palpatine said:

So, what would happen if you got sick?

I don't know, but it's nobody's problem but mine.

 

it isn't just your problem when you wind up clogging up the emergency room for an illness that you could have gone to your family doctor for, if you had insurance.   I think this is one of the reasons they want to make sure everyone has insurance.   

Also those that don't have insurance tend to hesitate in seeking medical and that results in the problem getting worse.  When they finally do get help, their health costs are more because they didn't seek help when they should have.  

Why you don't have health insurance is beyond me.   You are asking for trouble(and I don't mean the fine you'll have to pay for not have insurance under the new legislation).    I hope for your own sake that you do not get sick.

The reason we are where we are is because the idea of health care insurance is vastly misunderstood. Health Care insurance used to be for catastrophic health issues, not simply visits to the Doctor, buying medicine, or getting glasses. These things should be your responsibility, not the insurance companies. Do you file a claim with your auto insurance every time your change the oil in your car, have a small malfunction, or blow a tire? I don't think so. It just scares me how much people my age and younger shun independence and freedom for dependence and tyranny.

As for Warbler constantly mocking those of us who question the motive of our politicians by growing government, study history.

so you now you compare health care to car care?   Sorry but if I don't care for my car,  it died and I can either get new one or take public transportation.  I don't care for my self I die.   I think my health is more important than my car.

As for people using health insurance for stuff other than catastrophic health issues,   I think health care costs have gone up alot since that days you refer to.   Prescription medicine costs have gone up too.    There is no way people in poverty can afford doctor visits, medicine and glasses and such by themselves.   

So let me get this straight,  instead of people(who can't afford to pay for doctor visits) going to their family doctor, you'd rather them go to the ER and clog that up some more???    

btw, I did study history in school. 

*sigh*  fine.  when you get sick and need an expensive operation because you didn't go to the doctors when you should have because you have insurance,  please don't go the er for help.   I want to hoard every penny instead of saving your life.   So please just stay in your bed at home and die.

The way you want to pay for healthcare worked years and years ago.  But medicine has changed.  They can do alot more.  But it requires expensive tests and procedures and medicines they didn't have back in the day.   We can't pay for today's healthcare using yesterday's payment plan.     

Warbler said:

so you now you compare health care to car care?   Sorry but if I don't care for my car,  it died and I can either get new one or take public transportation.  I don't care for my self I die.   I think my health is more important than my car.

As for people using health insurance for stuff other than catastrophic health issues,   I think health care costs have gone up alot since that days you refer to.   Prescription medicine costs have gone up too.    There is no way people in poverty can afford doctor visits, medicine and glasses and such by themselves.   

So let me get this straight,  instead of people(who can't afford to pay for doctor visits) going to their family doctor, you'd rather them go to the ER and clog that up some more???    

btw, I did study history in school. 

 

I thought comparing mandatory health insurance with car insurance was a favorite tactic of these statists?

My point is that one of the reasons Health Care does cost so much these days as compared to years past is the presence of bigger government and insurance companies along with peoples expectations broadening.

Let's go back to the car insurance euphemism, if auto insurance did in fact cover oil changes, mechanical issues, and the like then your auto policy would cost and arm and leg. Also the price for those services would be sky high because you'd only pay your deductable and rest would be on the back of the insurance company. 

i.e., I get my oil changed every 5,000 miles after paying my $20 co-pay, state farm pays the rest. But the oil change now costs $250 because the mechanic is shilling it to insurance company. So, State Farm negotiates the price to $170 to "even things out". Compare that to our modern day $40-$50 oil changes. Of course, this scenario is completely theoretical, but I feel it holds water.

If people would only reply upon insurance for only catastrophic issues while taking care of their own doctor visits, medicine, and other minor stuff, the free market would naturally take over and the costs would be driven down greatly. Think about it, right now you just drive to your closest pharmacy for that med because you only pay whatever co-pay you have. One pharmacy may have the medicine for $165 and the other for $125, but you don't care because you only pay $20 either way. Under my scenario, you call both and learn that one sells it for $125, so you go there. Then the other starts losing business and prices theirs to $100, you go there and the other loses business, they prices their to $75, so on and so forth until prices are reasonable without relying on insurance companies. Of course, this would especially work if many restrictions was taken off of the pharma companies as well, they'd be incentivised to reduce costs. It could work if allowed to by this large oppressive government we now have.

*beer*

don't you think any of increase in the cost of healthcare has to do with advancement in medicine?    If people had to pay for doctor visits themselves,  they'd go bankrupt very quickly.    Do you realize how much things like EKGs and echo cardiograms and stress tests and the like cost?