My S'lution to Gov't H'care

we are not powerless.   If those we elect do not represent our wishes, we can chose not to elect them in the first place,  and we can chose not to reelect them the next time.

as for xhonzi plan:

1.  I'm not sure you'd get enough money.

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

but I do like xhonzi's plan.   Perhaps we could fund it instead with a National lottery?  People love playing the lottery and they'd still have a choice.   They could chose not to play the lottery.

vote_for_palpatine said:

If those we elect do not represent our wishes, we can chose not to elect them in the first place

How do we know this is going to happen? If they're telling us all the right things beforehand, we'd have no reason to think they wouldn't represent us.

its called research.  you should do it before voting.   I don't believe it was top secret info before the 2008 and 2009 November elections that Obama and the dems wanted to pass a healthcare bill.   Please remember that you still have the option of not reelecting them. 

vote_for_palpatine said:

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

Jeez Warb, why don't you distort the reality a little bit?

I'm not distorting reality.  Just go in the political thread and read someone of Ferris's posts when he is making reference to the 10th Amendment.

according to Ferris, most Americans don't want.    The Conservatives won't choose to fund it.    That's why I think you would get enough money. 

Warbler said:

according to Ferris, most Americans don't want.    The Conservatives won't choose to fund it.    That's why I think you would get enough money. 

True!

Warbler said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

Jeez Warb, why don't you distort the reality a little bit?

I'm not distorting reality.  Just go in the political thread and read someone of Ferris's posts when he is making reference to the 10th Amendment.

True!

maybe cause what most Americans want isn't  always what is best.  I'll refer something I posted in the political thread.

Warbler said:

There are some lines from the movie 1776 that I think could help.   Dr. Lyman Hall, the delegate from Georgia to the 2nd Continental Congress.   He was having difficulty deciding how to vote on the question of independence from Britain.   He was for independence, but the people of Georgia were against it(I have no idea if that was really so but that was the way it was in the movie).    He used a quote that he said came from Edmund Burke(a member of the British Parliament) to help make his decision  "that a representative owes the People not only his industry, but his judgment, and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion"   Dr. Hall decided to vote for independence.   Again, I have no idea if there was an Edmund Burke in Parliament or if he said that quote or if the real Dr. Hall actually used that quote to help him make his decision. 

something you have to go against what is popular and do what is right.  Remember, sometimes the majority is for the pretty bad things.  like slavery for example.

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

2.  according the Conservatives,  passing any healthcare legislation at all is unconstitutional. 

Jeez Warb, why don't you distort the reality a little bit?

I'm not distorting reality.  Just go in the political thread and read someone of Ferris's posts when he is making reference to the 10th Amendment.

True!

see what I mean VFP?   So Ferris, Xhonzi's plan would therefore be unconstitutional right?

Warbler said:

see what I mean VFP?   So Ferris, Xhonzi's plan would therefore be unconstitutional right?

Yep! But, we've been successfully ignoring select parts of the Constitution for over 150 years! You yourself seem to hate the thing.

vote_for_palpatine said:

something you have to go against what is popular and do what is right.  Remember, sometimes the majority is for the pretty bad things.  like slavery for example.

Ah yes, the slavery card. The majority must always be ignored and is always wrong because some people once owned slaves.

nope,  just some of the time.

vote_for_palpatine said:

To equate a health care system in need of some fine-tuning with human bondage is asinine, appalling, and offensive. Because what you do when you make that comparison is compare people who do not want to allow ever greater government encroachment into our lives to motherfucking slave owners. I'm tired of that rhetoric. Let it stop now.

sorry. I did not mean to equate slavery with those that are against the health plan.   I know its not the same thing.  I just meant to say that sometimes the majority is wrong.

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

see what I mean VFP?   So Ferris, Xhonzi's plan would therefore be unconstitutional right?

Yep! But, we've been successfully ignoring select parts of the Constitution for over 150 years! You yourself seem to hate the thing.

I don't hate it,  I just interpret it differently than you and think a couple aspects of it could be amended.   

you said 150 years hmm . . . 2010-150=1860.   So we refer the right of states to leave the union.   Funny, that right is never mentioned in Constitution.  

I'm willing to pay higher taxes if it means more poor children can have health coverage.

(Crap, I just violated my personal oath to not get involved in these politics threads unless I was making a joke...)

TV's Frink said:

I'm willing to pay higher taxes if it means more poor children can have health coverage.

(Crap, I just violated my personal oath to not get involved in these politics threads unless I was making a joke...)

Believe me, paying higher taxes is not necessary to cover children. They are well cared for by charities and such.

Oh please.  Even charities won't touch the worst cases, like this ugly little guy...

*sniff* He was so young :-(

lol! 

Don't forget about old wrinkled dudes!

*sniff* He was so old :-(

yeah no charity would touch him.

Charity touched me one time, I later made her giggle!

xhonzi said:

So... why healthcare?  Why has this become the one thing all people must have, even if it means that the cost of it must be hoisted upon the taxpayers?  Why isn't it postal service?

Hell yeah, everyone should be fined if they don't have Postal Service!