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Personally I think it would be a little too convenient for Luke's hand/lightsaber to be falling down the same shaft he does, not to mention at about the same time even though there must've been at least a minute between it being cut off and Luke jumping.

And why would the hand still be holding on to the lightsaber, it's not impossible I suppose but certainly improbable.

I think it would be best if it was just a piece of the metal vane or something.

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Lord Grievous said:

Personally I think it would be a little too convenient for Luke's hand/lightsaber to be falling down the same shaft he does, not to mention at about the same time even though there must've been at least a minute between it being cut off and Luke jumping.

Then again, if the outer door hadn't opened in between, they would have both fallen out at the same time. We don't know how often the thing takes a dump ;)

I think this is a perfect opportunity for Adywan's hand to make another cameo.

Adywan's hand could be the new Wilhelm, showing up at least once in each film!  Or even worse... kind of follow the action around like the fake hand in the beginning of Mystery Men...

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Bobocop said:

Lord Grievous said:

Personally I think it would be a little too convenient for Luke's hand/lightsaber to be falling down the same shaft he does, not to mention at about the same time even though there must've been at least a minute between it being cut off and Luke jumping.

Then again, if the outer door hadn't opened in between, they would have both fallen out at the same time. We don't know how often the thing takes a dump ;)

I think this is a perfect opportunity for Adywan's hand to make another cameo.

Adywan's hand could be the new Wilhelm, showing up at least once in each film!  Or even worse... kind of follow the action around like the fake hand in the beginning of Mystery Men...

Exactly... Luke lands down that shaft (That looks REALLY clean for a garbage chute imo so having it have some piece of random debris makes no sense.) right on top of a trap door but that trap door then leads to the outer door right above that weather vane he lands on. It is conceivable that Lukes hand w/saber trigger the first trap door once (So Luke never landed on his own hand when he comes to a temporary stop) and so the outer door drops Luke and his hand when it opens...

This also leads to the question why the hell are there so many traps doors in Cloud City leading to no where in particullar. lol...

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Rogue Leader said:

The impossible is what Rogues do best...

 

 Don't know what you do but that's The state of mind. :)

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Lord Grievous said:

Personally I think it would be a little too convenient for Luke's hand/lightsaber to be falling down the same shaft he does, not to mention at about the same time even though there must've been at least a minute between it being cut off and Luke jumping.

Yeah obviously it's the explanation you consider the last because it's so unlikely. But unlikely things do happen. And the thing kinda looks like his hand+saber.

But as I said, one major improvement that could be made is to make it clearer that it is a piece of cloud city like the script says.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there like several dozens of those shafts at various levels in the big Cloud City Chute? There are like six per panel and Luke happens to get sucked into the middle right chute. I would find it highly unlikely that the hand would go down the exact same chute due to the difference in mass, size and weight.

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Didn't I say something like that on this very page? In fact, I think I said *exactly* that.

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Rogue Leader said:

However, further retconning now says that the hand was found in the bowels of Cloud City by an Ugnaught AND that Bespin has no surface and is a gas giant... Idiots... 

Yeah, I remember this Marvel Star Wars story where Lando returns to Bespin to check Cloud City, in this one Bespin has a swamp surface (Dagobah leftovers?) and the imperials and the Ugnaugh tv crew (!) Lando meets use hover crafts... LOL... I guess the only cool thing in this arc was to see the TIE lander used by the Empire...

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I've heard the things that it could be :a piece of the vane, Luke's hand with saber hilt, and his blaster falling out of the holster.

 

Surely someone has high res screencaps?

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It's a section of the vane. Sometimes things don't need to be made obvious to the audience. That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much. But i've never believed that it was Lukes hand/saber becausse that would have been thrown out of the city a long time before and it certainly wouldn't have gone through the exact same shaft.  Luke lands pretty hard on the vane and part of it breaks off. I'm certainly not going to be making it look any clearer because it doesn't need it.

As for the curvature of the city then that's another things that doesn't need fixing. That city is huge and Luke is close to the central core so there wouldn't be such a slope and there is already a slight curvature to the underside. from such a great scale of the city and the angle that luke is the existing curvature is how it would be. So i'm not doing anything to that either.

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How's your apartment holding up Ady?

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Lord Grievous said:

How's your apartment holding up Ady?

It's a complete mess. They have finished the wiring now but everything's covered in brick dust even though they did use dust sheets. It just takes so long for it all to settle and they still have all the plastering to do. Still got another week at least of all this. They have put the kitchen units in but one unit doesn't match the rest as they forgot to order enough units. But i'm making sure that it will be replaced with the correct one, then theres all the tiles to be put up in the kitchen and all the redecorating. I just wish i had a TARDIS so i could skip to the future when this would all be finished

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Rogue Leader said:

The impossible is what Rogues do best...

 

 Don't know what you do but that's The state of mind. :)

... Hem... Sorry.

I do, what I wanna do, and occasionally it happens to be impossible. =D

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Rogue Leader said:

ABC said:

Rogue Leader said:

The impossible is what Rogues do best...

 

 Don't know what you do but that's The state of mind. :)

... Hem... Sorry.

I do, what I wanna do, and occasionally it happens to be impossible. =D

 "Impossible n' est pas français" (French proverb) ;)

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adywan said:

It's a section of the vane. Sometimes things don't need to be made obvious to the audience. That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much. But i've never believed that it was Lukes hand/saber becausse that would have been thrown out of the city a long time before and it certainly wouldn't have gone through the exact same shaft.  Luke lands pretty hard on the vane and part of it breaks off. I'm certainly not going to be making it look any clearer because it doesn't need it.

With all due respect, you couldn't be more wrong.  The explanations are the best part of the PT.  And anyway, you don't need to put in a lot of work to fix this - just hire someone to do a voiceover.

Just go to RICVOICEOVER.COM or give a ring to 1-800-CALL-RIC.

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Ric Olie said:

The explanations are the best part of the PT.

 I totally agree with Ric Olie... Unfortunately, they are the best part (and as G. Lucas says: " a good special effect is nothing without a lot of explanations"!!!).

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adywan said:

That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much.

 

As for the curvature of the city then that's another things that doesn't need fixing. That city is huge and Luke is close to the central core so there wouldn't be such a slope and there is already a slight curvature to the underside. from such a great scale of the city and the angle that luke is the existing curvature is how it would be. So i'm not doing anything to that either.

That is true.. Also in the OT and generaly the old Sci fi they were trying to make something look like sci-fi with several ways. Now the genre become obvious and pushed too hard.

 

Nevertheless the matte i think needs some enhancements. maybe adding/matching the colors/details with the set.

as for the central pylon it might be visible to one or two shots while falcon or ties accelerating :)


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Ric Olie said:

adywan said:

It's a section of the vane. Sometimes things don't need to be made obvious to the audience. That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much. But i've never believed that it was Lukes hand/saber becausse that would have been thrown out of the city a long time before and it certainly wouldn't have gone through the exact same shaft.  Luke lands pretty hard on the vane and part of it breaks off. I'm certainly not going to be making it look any clearer because it doesn't need it.

With all due respect, you couldn't be more wrong.  The explanations are the best part of the PT.  And anyway, you don't need to put in a lot of work to fix this - just hire someone to do a voiceover.

Just go to RICVOICEOVER.COM or give a ring to 1-800-CALL-RIC.

Over ruled by one word: midichlorians.

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I think he was joking :|

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Lord Grievous said:

I think he was joking :|

By the Force I hope so. lol =P

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adywan said: That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much.

I would argue that there wasn't enough explanations to begin with. For instance, the Sith are the big baddies of the series. That's fine, but who are the Sith? Why do they want revenge? Why did they go extinct? 

Or what about the prophecy? What does it say exactly? What's out of balance that makes it so important? Why would bringing the force back into balance be a good thing? Why do the Jedi still believe in this prophecy that involves a chosen one destroying the Sith when they themselves believe that the Sith are extinct and that their reemergence would be impossible? And for that matter, when both the prophecy AND the Sith are brought up in the same exact meeting, why the heck did the Jedi not put the two and two together? 

These are story elements that are left high and dry. Now, you are probably referring to the 'midi-chlorians' explanation in regards to 'explain too much' on how the Force works, and I totally agree with that statement. But even high-end producers like "LOST"'s producer Damon Lindelof misinterpreted why the 'midi-cholirans' chat doesn't work. He uses that as an example on why the show won't be explaining how the island works. He makes it sound like the Force was never given an explanation on how it works before the prequel trilogy was release, and that's not true. The Force was explained in the original trilogy many times by both Obi-Wan and Yoda, that it's an energy field created by all living things that surrounds us, and penetrates us and bind the galaxy together. A Jedi is unique because they can feel the force flowing through them, not because they have more medi-chlorians. 

So don't worry about explaining things, just don't make it look or sound stupid and/or unnecessary. But yes! I do agree that we don't need to emphasize that the vane part breaking away needs to be emphasized. Perhaps not having it fade into the clouds too early would suffice?

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Rogue Leader said:

Some explanations ARE NOT NECESSARY.

 Of course they're not.

Star Wars and Empire were mostly great because all of the "non-said" about the Force notably. That makes things deeper and allows you to open your mind and make your own observations on the relationships between what is shown and what you understood or what as been said but justly not explained... Even when you are 10 years old !

That is the greatest thing I'll remember about the OT.

The Force was strong with those films !

 

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I thought the thing falling from Cloud City was a workman's tool box left over from maintenance. ;)