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"Before the Dark Times... before the Empire." -Obi-Wan

"The last remnants of the old republic have been swept away" -Tarkin

These statements are ambiguous enough that the timeline is fairly open.

Obi-Wan was apparently alive to be a Jedi during the good old days. If he was 70, that puts the Empire at maybe 40 years old.

Possible Chronology for an "Old Empire" theory.

• 70 BSW Obi-Wan is born
• 50 BSW Obi-Wan serves as a Jedi Knight, has adventures in The Clone War I
• 40 BSW After the devestation of CW1, the Galactic Empire is founded, a beacon of hope.
• 35 BSW More Clone Wars, and the Empire tightens its grip. Obi meets Anakin during a mission.They serve the still idealistic, but darkening Empire
• 20 BSW The Jedi are all but eliminated as the Purge happens and the Empire keeps gettign worse.
• 1 BSW After losing power for years, the senate is offically disolved

 In this possible scenario, Obi-Wan is personally betrayed by the Empire as opposed to fighting it from the beginning. Dramatically it's worth contomplating.

A New Empire, with a strong government to keep the peace and promote justice. It just goes bad within a decade or so as the Emperor shows his true colors... Palpatine is a Napoleon type.

I don't know. The Empire always being in the movies doesn't click with me. Just a personal choice though. I remember as a kid wondering what The Old Republic was like, so I want to see that. I don't see why Tarkin's comment makes it seem that they are so far removed from The Republic.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Is this thread still alive? Work has been slow and for the past few months I've just been thinking about what I'd do with the PT if they were scrapped, I've even delved into a treatment for the first. I've had a few ideas, a few which were mentioned in this thread, which is pretty cool. I'd love to contribute if people are still talking about the subject. Thanks.

Always love talking about it... Please share!

I think if someone would just write a draft, maybe we could take it from there.

mrbenja0618 said:

I think if someone would just write a draft, maybe we could take it from there.

Work has been hectic this week. But last night I was able to read through this entire post. What at first I thought were a lot of similarities to what I had in my mind I guess didn't end up being so as I read further. But it's a shame that my vision follows more closely to the people that really don't post here anymore.

I was surprised more progress hadn't been made, the first post was a year ago I think? But it is tough, 3 movies is a lot of material. At first I wanted to make scripts until I sat down to do it and realized that it's a ton of work. One movie okay, but 3? That's when I just decided to work on stuff when I had time.

The reason I was excited about this post though was the willingness to throw the prequels out entirely. Usually, "rewriting the prequels" is people deciding to take out Jar Jar. That's just editing. Of course, throwing them out also means more work. I'm also from the camp that they were meant to be seen in order (hence, the episodes) and plot twists should be preserved. New characters should be made, and only the necessary ones used. I also think the movies should stand on their own like the first ones were able to. I also think the movies should be character-driven with galactic affairs happening in the background. Oh, and of course, nothing should conflict - (looking at you George).

My notes are at home and I'll try to post after work. Curious, what happened to the script that was being written?

Note: I found it interesting that everyone here thought that Anakin should be a pilot on a spice freighter. That actually was just what Owen had told Luke, it wasn't the truth. "That's just what your uncle told you."

Good Luck!

I look forward to seeing your ideas.

By making him a pilot on a spice freighter it turns a lie into not the whole truth,

"That's just what your uncle told you."

The implication being that there was much more to the story that Owen didn't tell Luke (something Ben would continue to do).

What sort of mentors are these guys?

AND...

He wasn't even a pilot.

He was a navigator.

I think one story suggestion was that he was a navigator but there was an attack on the ship and he had to pilot it to safety which he did with great skill (you can be a pilot and navigate).

Yeah, Bing, that was my outline.

I thought it would be cool introduce Anakin in a non- hotshot position.

Besides Obi-wan says he was a pilot in ROTJ... So it works regardless.

Yup!

Depending on which model you base it on Navigators need to have piloting skills and Pilots need to have navigating skills.

In nerd terms Sulu was the Navigator on The Enterprise and could pilot a shuttle with ease.

Bingowings said:

By making him a pilot on a spice freighter it turns a lie into not the whole truth,

"That's just what your uncle told you."

The implication being that there was much more to the story that Owen didn't tell Luke (something Ben would continue to do).

What sort of mentors are these guys?

Ah, okay. I'll have to watch the scene again. It's interesting that you can watch a scene a million times and have a different interpretation that someone else whose watched it as many. I think if Obi-Wan meant that that was only part of it he would have said it in a different way. I always interpreted it as "nah, that was just your uncle not wanting to tell you he was a jedi knight." Because I thought afterwards he goes on to say he was a great pilot and a jedi knight and I just assumed he was this bad ass "fighter pilot" not someone who made shipments of spice. It seems that's an unnatural way to say what you think he means. But, I'll watch it again. =)

I had a ten page outline of NewEp1, but lost my flashdrive.

But someone on another thread mentioned a secret clone army that's in stasis, ready to awaken and kick ass. That idea was SO BADASS that I'm rethinking everything about the "Clone Wars."

TheBoost said:

I had a ten page outline of NewEp1, but lost my flashdrive.

But someone on another thread mentioned a secret clone army that's in stasis, ready to awaken and kick ass. That idea was SO BADASS that I'm rethinking everything about the "Clone Wars."

 Not this goon I hope...you should never listen to him :

Bingowings said:

One idea that came to me prompted by Angel was what if the clones weren't created for the Republic recently but had been created a long time in the past to fight in some ancient war and were held in stasis in a forgotten location and discovered and reactivated. Like the Krell city in Forbidden Planet.

There could be an in universe myth that they would return when the galaxy needed them the most.

It would tie into the classic Star Wars notion of taking a mythic idea (the sleeping phantom warrior army) but with a space opera twist.

They would still be clones but their hidden fortress could have been discovered by the Kaminoans (that would turn them into a salvage team getting rich on what they found rather than a race of cloners).

Once activated the awakened clones start producing more and are preprogrammed to serve the Chancellor of the Republic (which is why they obey all his orders and the main reason that Palpatine came out of the shadows to become Chancellor).

The PT grew out of the back story of the OT.

One of the reasons the PT seems so hollow is it doesn't have that much of a back story of it's own to call upon.

The few mentions of the Sith wanting revenge on the Jedi for something added to a few ideas like this would project the story even further back.

It would also take the heat off the Jedi allowing the Republic to create a race of slaves if they already existed generations before.

It would require a redub of a lot of dialogue and a lot of editing around but it may make for a more interesting idea.

 

Luke: No, my father didn't fight in the Clone Wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter. Obi-Wan: That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals; he felt he should've stayed here and not gotten involved. Luke: You fought in the Clone Wars? Obi-Wan: Yes. I was once a Jedi knight, the same as your father. Luke: I wish I'd known him. Obi-Wan: He was the best star pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I understand that you've become quite a good pilot yourself. [sorrowfully] Obi-Wan: And he was a good friend.

Watched the scene, I'd have to say that what I thought was correct. He doesn't say "just" either. From this conversation, I just don't see it as him being a navigator on a spice freighter, but a real "star pilot". Sorry.

Edit: I'll just re-post it when I have it more fleshed out, I guess it doesn't make much sense right now. I'll have some time next week. =)

A clone of Luke... Was that correct?

A clone of Luke... Was that correct?

Maybe I shouldn't have posted until I get everything more coherent. I need to explain it more, but ultimately yes. I'll have more time tomorrow and next week, I can explain it better. But yeah, clone technology will progress through the movies. The first problem with the clones being that they aren't able to use the Force (in the PT why didn't they just clone Maul a million times if they are totally obedient?). But then eventually I'd have Luke being discovered, but not by Anakin, and a clone is made of him but it is progressed in age. It's not really Luke, it's just a clone. I still have a lot of thinking to do about it, but I like it for a number of reasons. People would think Luke is fighting a dark side of himself, and really, that's what the OT is about, just not literally. You have the cave scene which reinforces that. A lot I just didn't have time to write and explain and some things I just haven't pieced together. I do have more to piece together on that, and really, I can scrap the volcano and even Obi-Wan being there. But the Luke clone I do like. I just haven't figured out if the Emperor makes him to secretly take down Anakin, because at that point Anakin is showing resistance to the dark side, and the Emperor knows that a child with two Jedi parents would be stronger or if the clone is made by the good guys and turned bad, he at least has to be with Obi-Wan at one point as some sort of pupil. Or, really that the Luke clone would be A...but then also have a new Obi-Wan apprentice who is choice B (although probably wouldn't have him turn to the dark side because that is redundant). Then have the truth C, end up being Anakin. I haven't worked it all out, but those are the reasons I like it. If I scrapped that idea, you'd basically just have to show Anakin's death off camera and go with what Lucas did.