Ideas and Suggestions for :Star Trek The Motion Picture (True Fan Edit) — Page 10

Welcome to the fun ImperialFighter!

IF has an amazing eye for detail.  And now that he can take his own screenshots (without trying to describe for me EXACTLY what frame he wants), we'll get more information faster.  I love it.

I'm glad this is ramping up.  I know that Ady would be interested as well, if he didn't have his own edits to worry about.

EDIT: I PM'ed him to offer him the opportunity to join in on the fun, if he got tired of Star Wars, that is.

Just to let you know, I have not had a chance to do any editing in the last two days due to some personal issues I had to take care of. But I do have some demo work on the hard drive that I plan to get up on file share this weekend.

  There are so many creative and interesting ideas being expressed about what this edit could be, and that is realy getting my adrenalin pumping. Who knows, we might even wind up with multiple versions if we can't get all the ideas to work in the same edit. That is the great thing about being fan editors, we get to break any rules we want with our projects. 

FanFiltration said:

Just to let you know, I have not had a chance to do any editing in the last two days due to some personal issues I had to take care of. But I do have some demo work on the hard drive that I plan to get up on file share this weekend.

  There are so many creative and interesting ideas being expressed about what this edit could be, and that is realy getting my adrenalin pumping. Who knows, we might even wind up with multiple versions if we can't get all the ideas to work in the same edit. That is the great thing about being fan editors, we get to break any rules we want with our projects. 

Then we can use all of the names! ;-)

I'm starting to get...

Star Trek: The Motion Sickness

Edit: There should be a small place reserved in Hell for actors who say words too close together, as well as overlapping two words together when they speak. It's annoying to edit around!

I'm still eager to have an official title.  I mean, we could title the edit and work towards living up to it, or see the final product and title it from that.  Mostly the only thing I feel I'm kind of good at is logos, so I want to have one I can tweak to perfection.  And it would minimize the EXTREMELY long title I have on the "blueprints" (which I hope is an alright title, as I thought I had enough Wishlists).

Ok..

Be gentle..

A wip matte for the hangar

The original lightning was way off.. as well many elements were random placed in the space.. now the pylons have a geometry and are not placed here and there..

-Angel

Looks great!  For more information, check out DarenDoc's (the guy who supervised the Director's Edition) blog on his rough draft of the shot.  Maybe you can pull some elements from there.

http://blog.darendoc.com/?p=473

The point is that the extension is a bit cheap...

With copy pastes and bad perspectives..

Plus the backdrop with the bridge has to be overexposed because the camera is set to indoors exposure as well..

In the dvd image was meant to be more accurate.. as you can see in the bridge section is way to contrasty..

Also also as you can see its daylight.. but the sun casts some low hard shadows when it supposed to be up in the sky..

Triple also: In both versions the shuttle casts a shadow ON the shadow areas on the wall.. so that needs fixing :D

Lets FF chose if this going well according with his tastes :)

-Angel

PS: Anyone knows where i can find the shuttle in some 3d format?

I'm not sure we could or would want to matte all of the people back in.  I like the angle so well, maybe we could just matte Kirk back in as he's heading up the escalator.  Like maybe he's alone in the tram station, late to the new meeting about V'ger that FF is making...

It's these first few minutes that have the mattes we would need enhanced.  Once we have an FF rough cut, we can work more on trying to tie together the mattes, especially the shot of Starfleet command, as the lighting would need to match all of the other shots and its not even from this movie.  Maybe we could get a whole new matte from Angel so we don't have to worry about the Golden Gate Bridge being visible from the same angle in every shot.

I'll try to put together a storyboard of what I mean in the next couple days (by then we might have a rough cut of FF's vision!).

FanFiltration said:

You first see the shuttle fling next to the bridge, then the HQ shot from ST-IV (shuttle flight angle adjusted), then cut to shuttle entering tram station, Kirk exits shuttle and we cut just before he sees Commander Sonak. 

Alright, here's the shots FF mentioned and what needs to be changed.

In the top shot, we have Kirk's shuttle headed towards the tram station, then in the second shot its headed towards the camera.  FF wants to use this shot of Starfleet command and Kirk's shuttle flying past(?) it.  Then the shuttle lands in the tram station.

I think we can go about this two ways.

The first is modifying the existing mattes.  The tram station needs to be replaced with Starfleet Command in the top shot and the bridge needs to be moved in the ST4 shot because the angle is wrong to the rest of the shots.

OR

We can scrap the existing mattes and make all-new ones.  Replace the tram station with Starfleet Command, make an all-new Starfleet Command using compilations from the rest of the series (I would love to see something based on the shots of it from TNG).

Here are some resources:

Starfleet Command in ENT (complete with Google Map location! The tram station could be that building on the right of frame if we wanted it to be)
Starfleet Command in ENT from orbit (not seeing how to reconcile the two though, as there are no round buildings here)
Starfleet Headquarters from TNG (this is the iconic building)
Starfleet Academy in TNG (also within view of the Bridge)
Starfleet Command Destroyed in DS9
Replica Starfleet Academy from VOY
Replica Starfleet Academy from VOY (sixth picture on the page)

Note that all of these look like they're right on top of one another.  These are really just to give an idea of Federation architecture (which doesn't seem to change much over the years, so we can pull from the best of these).

A question..

Is the hangar that kirk and bones leaving in JJ's movie the same location with the one that you referring 005?

Much more industrial and less dreamy..

Also the middle pic you posted has some shadow issues.. or the right building is meant to be floating..

-Angel

No, I think the hanger in JJ's movie is more of a private hanger for the students to get to their ships, this is more of a public train station kind of thing.  Besides, most of JJ's "behind the ship" scenes are a bit too industrial to match the rest of the movies/series.  JJ liked the real world locations for those kind of things.

We can't really use anything from JJ's movie, as he changed so much for this alternate timeline (look at where the Golden Gate Bridge is in location to his Academy!).  It's a shame really, but it is its own self-contained universe with its own continuity.  We need to make good with what we have from the rest of the movies/series.

And yes, there are issues with that matte from Star Trek 4.  Never noticed that the building was floating, thanks for that.  It needs work, as you can see.  It's all up to FF really, if he just wants that matte fixed, or if we can make a whole new one using elements from the later versions of Headquarters.

Alright, I looked each of the images I posted and using Google Earth found approximately where each location is in relation to the Golden Gate Bridge.

(Click for bigness)

Looks like They used the same CGI matte for Starfleet Academy in Voyager and Starfleet Command in DS9 (which may actually be a shot of the Academy, I've not seen the episode).  It could be that Earth's Starfleet Command in Enterprise became Starfleet Academy after the Federation was formed.  Both the Tram Station in TMP and "Headquarters" in TNG are on the city-side of the bridge.  The only odd-balls out are JJ's Academy being on the city-side, and Command from Star Trek 4 is on the opposite side of the bay than where Command is in every other instance.

So:

Starfleet Command: Presidio/City side
Starfleet Academy: Sausalito side

Google Earth is a great tool to get an idea of what the bridge looks like from whatever angle.

Sorry, I have been out. I agree with the above post 100%. Not sure if that shot from Trek IV will fit anyway, but we should try it in the rough-edit with some minor adjustments. If it looks good when in place, then we can put more work into it latter on.  I'm spending most of today editing this ough-edit workprint for you guys. It's just so hard for me to let go of something when it's in this unfinished state. I keep wanting to refine it, but doing that will just delay me getting it over to you for review.

FF

Also:

I checked out the shots of SF in TMP, and it looks like the Headquarters building wouldn't be seen, but parts of Starfleet Academy might, if we wanted to add them...  Just for overdoing it's sake. ;-)

And take your time on the rough cut.  We're fine bouncing around over here!

Is it allowed to link to small YouTube clips of fan edit work? If so, I can have some test scenes ready to show you today. I'm am a little short on funds and can't work a paid rapidshare account into this weeks budget.

The clips I have ready are

1) Arrival of Ilia & Bones

2) Arrival of Spock

3) Leaving Drydock

4) Spock's meeting with Kirk and McCoy (Includes Vulcan flashback)

5) Attack on Epsilon-9

6) Crew Briefing

Note: The above scenes are not listed in their correct playing order.

Also, I did not list the Travel Pod scene that you should have already seen a rough cut of.

I think YouTube clips are alright, Ady posts plenty of clips, and the RotJ Wishlist wouldn't be anything without the video mockups.

So another San Fransisco location is Kirk's apartment.  The problem?  It's on the same side of the bay as Starfleet Command!  I guess he wasn't coming from home at the beginning of TMP, or he moved. ;-)

http://www.filminamerica.com/Movies/StarTrek/02TheWrathOfKhan/

If my locations are correct, it looks like he just happens to be staring out the window at Starfleet Command in this shot, which is perfect since he is considering his own mortality at the time.

Maybe his apartment is on Starfleet grounds.  Current military bases provide housing for soldiers and their families.