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OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4

It's funny that I've titled this ROTS_newtimeline because I don't think this particular video shuffles any of the original scenes around drastically...but don't worry...there's more to come.  ;)

This video would've been longer but for some reason I was having issues uploading a 9 minute version...so I'll be uploading the other part soon.

 

P.S. Welcome, VideInfra78! :D

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Rogue Leader said:

 

Yep, those should of been there, along with the Victory-class Star Destroyers, the Z-95, Y-wings with it's full armored plating... They should do a Clone Wars cartoon episode of the Katana Fleet. That'd be kinda cool actually...

 

 

Personally i liked the first three episodes of the clone wars. There was a chiss, that remined me Thrawn... :) It would be cool that to do an episode for the Katana fleet, but Lucas don't care about the actual sequels. They are way better, than GL's creation...  There is a web page, that have a lot of cool art of ships, that looks more Star Wars than the prequels.

http://warlords.swrebellion.com/wp/?page_id=42&g2_itemId=276

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4

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I really like how you streamlined the Ani/Padme conversation.

 Cool thanks! I tried to make it sound a little more like a real conversation, ya know? And I tried to make Anakin sound a little more insane with less of his rationalizing...I personally believe he should be too far gone at this point in the movie...IMHO  ;)

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4

Wonderful!  I think all the ideas you you've presented here would work perfectly if you can find a way to more seamlessly integrate them. 5 stars

(NOTE: I've rated this higher than many other vids I've commented on. Those who would protest, keep in mind I am judging this for what it is.  An idea; a concept; a mock-up.)

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4

It's funny that I've titled this ROTS_newtimeline because I don't think this particular video shuffles any of the original scenes around drastically...but don't worry...there's more to come.  ;)

This video would've been longer but for some reason I was having issues uploading a 9 minute version...so I'll be uploading the other part soon.

 

P.S. Welcome, VideInfra78! :D

Very nice... I like although Yoda being knocked out that long makes him look really weak. =( It would then bring up the question of why doesn't Sideous just finish him while he's down?

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Personally i liked the first three episodes of the clone wars. There was a chiss, that remined me Thrawn... :) It would be cool that to do an episode for the Katana fleet, but Lucas don't care about the actual sequels. They are way better, than GL's creation...  There is a web page, that have a lot of cool art of ships, that looks more Star Wars than the prequels.

http://warlords.swrebellion.com/wp/?page_id=42&g2_itemId=276

Would of loved to see Thrawn somewhere in the Clone Wars... In fact that would been an great tie in for that series into later in the EU.  You are right though, GL wouldn't do it nor does he really care all to much. Dave Filoni is a hardcore fan and EU knowledgable, he actually attempts to inject as much EU as possible into the Clone War series however some of the more reasonable ideas are rejected.

Vibro-blades with cortosis weaves for example... instead GL said "no, nothing can block a lightsaber" so let's make a "darksaber" (from the new Mandolarian plot story line, don't get me started on how much he's f'd the Mandarlores...). Yet, Episode III has those Phrik electrostaves used by those IG-100 Manga guards of General Grevious... GL literally forgets, doesn't know or care concerning these things and his visions have no continuity anymore. They're on the fly, sporadic, and on the whim. 

Neat ships. =D

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Yoda on the floor is a problem with the theatrical cut too.

It does need a bit more brainstorming to get the general idea to work.

It does cut out a ton of BS though.

Vader does choke Padme at a funny time too, I know he is fired up on hubris but to have him do that with very little provocation seems a bit odd and there are still some of the wonkiest lines in there.

Once again though it's certainly snappier.

It's a bit late here but I try and think of something tomorrow.

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4

 

Usually a fan of your edits but can't stand this one. Yoda goes out like a punk (plus if he was knocked out why wouldn't Sidious kill him?) and Anakin's convo turns even more stilted and awkward than it already was, he chokes Padme before he even gets angry or sees Obi-Wan, really?

 

Sorry :(

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Damn i missed that video of yours SSWR :D

I loved the dialogue you cutted there :D

I agree with octorox that anapimp should not talk after he chokes padme but go straight to kill obi whiner.

 

Cant wait to see part 2 :D

 

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SSWR what can I say except WOW 

You made it bearable to watch LOL

had a though while watching it though

would it be possible to have Anakin Start to choke Pandamay or panda bear or what ever the hell her name is as he says "Obi wan turned you against me" to me it would make him seem more impulsive and irrational!

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fishmanlee said:

a motion mockup/colour correction of geonosis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGajTGas9-g&feature=channel

That is pretty good, but I would give some brightness back to it. Things get hidden in the shadows.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Wow! thanks for the feedback peoples! :D

Rhikter said:

Wonderful!  I think all the ideas you you've presented here would work perfectly if you can find a way to more seamlessly integrate them. 5 stars

(NOTE: I've rated this higher than many other vids I've commented on. Those who would protest, keep in mind I am judging this for what it is.  An idea; a concept; a mock-up.)

 Yes indeed I wish I had a way to make it more seamless...alas right now I do not  :(   :P

Rogue Leader said:

Very nice... I like although Yoda being knocked out that long makes him look really weak. =( It would then bring up the question of why doesn't Sideous just finish him while he's down?

Well, my intention was to make it look like Palps killed Yoda. Thus his line: "At last the Jedi are no more!"

For me, it is perfectly fine to have Yoda look weak. He comes in being to cocky for my taste anyways (I tried to dial that down too)...Yoda should be knocked down a peg or two.  ;)

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Yoda on the floor is a problem with the theatrical cut too.

It does need a bit more brainstorming to get the general idea to work.

It does cut out a ton of BS though.

Vader does choke Padme at a funny time too, I know he is fired up on hubris but to have him do that with very little provocation seems a bit odd and there are still some of the wonkiest lines in there.

Once again though it's certainly snappier.

It's a bit late here but I try and think of something tomorrow.

 Oh I agree about Anakin and pretty much anything he has to say in this scene is terrible. I didn't attempt it in this edit but I personally think he should be redubbed just like in SOTDS.

Bring on the ideas Bingowings! :D

Octorox said:

Usually a fan of your edits but can't stand this one. Yoda goes out like a punk (plus if he was knocked out why wouldn't Sidious kill him?) and Anakin's convo turns even more stilted and awkward than it already was, he chokes Padme before he even gets angry or sees Obi-Wan, really?

 Again, I tried (but appearently didn't succeed) in making it look like Palps thought he had killed Yoda.

Everyone has their own tastes and I agree it could defianantly be better. I'm trying to understand these characters and make it flow better...and at the same time I'm very limited with what footage I'm given.

But thanks for the feedback  :)

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SSWR what can I say except WOW 

You made it bearable to watch LOL

had a though while watching it though

would it be possible to have Anakin Start to choke Pandamay or panda bear or what ever the hell her name is as he says "Obi wan turned you against me" to me it would make him seem more impulsive and irrational!

 Wait does he say "Obi wan turned you against me"  ? That could work alot better. Thanks! :)

vaderios said:

Damn i missed that video of yours SSWR :D

I loved the dialogue you cutted there :D

I agree with octorox that anapimp should not talk after he chokes padme but go straight to kill obi whiner.

 

Cant wait to see part 2 :D

 

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PART TWO:

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P.S. If you guys don't like Yoda looking weak...well...you won't like part two! ;)

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Bingowings said:

We are still talking about them in the context of rendering them into something other (and hopefully better) than the manner which you describe (which most of us also recognise and agree with you about).

Yes it is a long thread and for me to précis the ideas on it would make for a huge post all on it's own. If you set out and paced yourself you could get through it in a reasonable amount of time.

Some of the aspects of the films you point out (like Dooku's name) are almost impossible to get around as they are so deeply embedded in the dialogue uttered during key scenes, though I would be very interested in any suggestions you have for getting around such obstacles and what you would replace them with.

Some edits like JasonN's have reduced Dooku's cartoonish moves down to a minimum (the aim being to make him not a Sith Lord but a Jedi who is making a stand against a compromised Senate, a forerunner of the Rebellion of the OT).

There have been many suggestions regarding how to make the Gungans less ridiculous (even how to remove them all together) and to give the Trade Federation different motives and different voices and to make Grievous more sinister or even an anti-hero of sorts via re-dubbing and altering his appearance.

To some extent we are stuck with some of the elements of the PT (unless someone can figure out a way to make the films from scratch) but there are a lot of different methods of reconstructing the elements already there so they do make more sense and fit better into the universe we saw in the original films.

Actually, somehow I just totally misunderstood the point of this post. I didn't realize you were still trying to edit these movies, I thought it was ideas just for re-writing them. I apologize.

Is there a thread about that? I mean totally just what if we could re-write these things? Or anyone know of a site, or someone who has done it? I have a lot of ideas what would just be fun to discuss.

By the way, I vote for the Jedi lightsabers being all blue. =) They were actually always supposed to be that way. The only reason Luke's was green was because the blue didn't show up well against the background of the blue sky when Luke was on Tatooine (it was blue in the trailers too). Personally, I find that in the prequels all the colors are so distracting, it's so hard to even tell what's going on, Lucas just tries to cram as much shit as he can in each shot. Plus it just seems lame that the Jedi love their rainbow colors and then the Sith only have red. It should be just that each order has their own color. I always thought about Luke's green signifying a new era.

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hey SSWR, loved the two new videos, i like the new anakin death, although it does feel slightly anticlimatic, is there likely to be a part 3? im wondering if obi wan perhaps departs thinkng its over, then anakin shows up again for the final confrontation, where he is diced. id love for his defeat to somehow be anecdotal of obi wans triumph earlier with grevious.

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SSWR, your new ending for ROTS is fantastisc! I'm sure it's just a mock-up as it is now, but there are some great ideas in there. The way you short-cut the Yoda vs Palpatine duel, for example, but I especially love how Anakin went down with that crane over the lava-fall. If you'd leave it at that, Darth Vader's identity could still be a mystery throughout the OT. I hope there's more to come!

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

PART TWO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poBUYSFmiCE

P.S. If you guys don't like Yoda looking weak...well...you won't like part two! ;)

LOL! Yeah, Yoda is very weak for a Jedi Grand Master... I do like the new ending and the cutting back of Anakin's whiny @ss angsty dialog especially removing "You under estimate my power" and then having nearly all his limbs cut off like a chump. lol

However, how does Anakin's lightsaber get to Obi Wan to pass on to Luke then? Or was it previously established earlier that he was fighting with a red Sith lightsaber and Anakin left his Jedi blue lightsaber behind or something? I personally did not like Anakin was using a blue lightsaber against Obi's blue. Harder to track the fight and it just looked weird.

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ben_danger said:

hey SSWR, loved the two new videos, i like the new anakin death, although it does feel slightly anticlimatic, is there likely to be a part 3? im wondering if obi wan perhaps departs thinkng its over, then anakin shows up again for the final confrontation, where he is diced. id love for his defeat to somehow be anecdotal of obi wans triumph earlier with grevious.

 Hey ben good to hear from you! :)  There will indeed be a part 3 and 4...and...well...I guess you'll have to...um...tune in next time to find out! ;)

SilverKey said:

SSWR, your new ending for ROTS is fantastisc! I'm sure it's just a mock-up as it is now, but there are some great ideas in there. The way you short-cut the Yoda vs Palpatine duel, for example, but I especially love how Anakin went down with that crane over the lava-fall. If you'd leave it at that, Darth Vader's identity could still be a mystery throughout the OT. I hope there's more to come!

 Yeah leaving Darth Vaders indentity is defiantly a goal of mine. Thanks for the kind words  :)

Rogue Leader said:

LOL! Yeah, Yoda is very weak for a Jedi Grand Master... I do like the new ending and the cutting back of Anakin's whiny @ss angsty dialog especially removing "You under estimate my power" and then having nearly all his limbs cut off like a chump. lol

However, how does Anakin's lightsaber get to Obi Wan to pass on to Luke then? Or was it previously established earlier that he was fighting with a red Sith lightsaber and Anakin left his Jedi blue lightsaber behind or something? I personally did not like Anakin was using a blue lightsaber against Obi's blue. Harder to track the fight and it just looked weird.

 Yeah the whole lightsaber issue....I don't have a good answer. I agree that I would rather have a red vs blue battle...but I don't know how Obi would end up with Anakins blue saber to pass on to Luke...

Thanks again guys! :D

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He could have left his original one behind (Obi-Wan was always going on about looking after it) it might be possible to manipulate the shot at the end of the battle where Obi-Wan picks up Anakin's saber and have him do it in Padme's penthouse instead (Padme's Penthouse sounds like a really bizarre slash magazine).

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never mind!

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Well SSWR you did again..

The talent of yours making a movie to be similar in editing and aesthetic to an other is brilliant..

Just look how many fancy choreography you cut and the duel already toned oted down.. Fantastic!

I didnt mind yoda look like weak.. In fact he is strong but stylistic speaking dark side is at its best.. so a deeper meaning is behind that..

 

Part 3 and part 4?

Counting the minutes :D


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SSWR, I was just thinking of this: I like Anaking going over the lava-fall because it leaves us in the dark about his fate and it adds some mystery to Darth Vader's identity. How are you going to edit the movies to make it all work? Because as much as I love your ending for Anakin, it still won't be a surprise when Vader reveals himself to Luke in ESB: we met Anakin in the PT, know he was Obi-Wan's only apprentice, and we've seen him fall to the Dark Side over the course of the trilogy. What are your ideas to keep the mystery?

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PART TWO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poBUYSFmiCE

P.S. If you guys don't like Yoda looking weak...well...you won't like part two! ;)

Love part 2. The fact that Vader's identity is still open preserves ESB. Was never sure why Lucas didn't do it that way.

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This might sound daft but what if you just had the truncated battle in the senate incorporating his entrance into the room which I've always loved and left it with Yoda apparently falling to his death (Yoda could plausible seem to have died then).

After that you could have the scene of Yoda making his escape with Bail.

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vaderios said:

I didnt mind yoda look like weak.. In fact he is strong but stylistic speaking dark side is at its best.. so a deeper meaning is behind that..

 Agreed.  ;)

SilverKey said:

SSWR, I was just thinking of this: I like Anaking going over the lava-fall because it leaves us in the dark about his fate and it adds some mystery to Darth Vader's identity. How are you going to edit the movies to make it all work? Because as much as I love your ending for Anakin, it still won't be a surprise when Vader reveals himself to Luke in ESB: we met Anakin in the PT, know he was Obi-Wan's only apprentice, and we've seen him fall to the Dark Side over the course of the trilogy. What are your ideas to keep the mystery?

 Well, the only real problem is knowing Anakin is Obi wans only apprentice. I don't have a good answer for this. But I'm not giving up hope yet...  ideas? anyone?  ;)

Bingowings said:

This might sound daft but what if you just had the truncated battle in the senate incorporating his entrance into the room which I've always loved and left it with Yoda apparently falling to his death (Yoda could plausible seem to have died then).

After that you could have the scene of Yoda making his escape with Bail.

 This could work...

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