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ferris209 said:

I'm absolutely sick of the "racist" moniker. Can't we all just enjoy each races respective eccentricities and general habits without it being deemed "hateful" when it certainly is not. I loved "Blazing Saddles" and I now believe that movie is the pinnacle of our time in which the races could lay all past beside and have fun without some idiot coming along and destroying the fun in the name of political correctness.

 I don't get this statement.

If someone points out that Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" it a blatant racist carictature, or that "District 9" that on the surface condemns racistm but is about as hateful towards Nigerians as it could fit into 90 minuts is a little troubling, are they ruining the fun in the name of political correctness?

No one says THEY are PC.  "PC" is the term I use when someone else object to something I like. 

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skyjedi2005 said:

I love the film True Lies.  Hollywood people don't have the balls to make a film like that these days.  Even Cameron has become an apologist with AVATAR.

 Seriously. You just cant get any bad-guy Arabs in the mainstream leftist media anymore, not like the good old days. On an unrelated note, when does the new season of 24 start?

And Cameron needs to get his wimpy politics out of my entertainment. To imply that forced relocation and genocide is bad makes me sick.

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TheBoost said:

skyjedi2005 said:

I love the film True Lies.  Hollywood people don't have the balls to make a film like that these days.  Even Cameron has become an apologist with AVATAR.

 Seriously. You just cant get any bad-guy Arabs in the mainstream leftist media anymore, not like the good old days. On an unrelated note, when does the new season of 24 start?

And Cameron needs to get his wimpy politics out of my entertainment. To imply that forced relocation and genocide is bad makes me sick.

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For the record I agree with TheBoost. Racism is still a serious issue and people pointing it out in film is certainly not a bad thing, even if they sometimes they read into things a bit too much. Personally I was a bit uncomfortable with Avatar more for the "White man's fantasy/Noble Savage" angle than anything else.

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To imply that forced relocation and genocide is bad makes me sick.

I applaud Cameron. Someone had to have the balls to say it. I mean, I'm sick of all these movies that celebrate those things.

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TheBoost said:

skyjedi2005 said:

I love the film True Lies.  Hollywood people don't have the balls to make a film like that these days.  Even Cameron has become an apologist with AVATAR.

 Seriously. You just cant get any bad-guy Arabs in the mainstream leftist media anymore, not like the good old days. On an unrelated note, when does the new season of 24 start?

And Cameron needs to get his wimpy politics out of my entertainment. To imply that forced relocation and genocide is bad makes me sick.

I was not referring to the angle of the native americans but that it made as some claim al quida seem like the good guys and they are the enemy.  The thing with stealing oil from Iraq is mostly a lie anyways we don't get all of our oil from there.

Now i'm not sure i agree with the point of cameron siding with our enemies, he is just pointing out that innocents and civilians are all killed in war.

The genocide and relocation thing was already dealt with in a science fiction context in Star trek insurrection, a film i like that Trekkies did not show up for nor did the mainstream audiences.

Still the same race thing there reminded me of the Jews and Muslims.  But in that film the baku and the sona were white, so the message might not get through like blueskinned aliens catpeople with elvish ears, and monkey tails. If he gave them red or black skin color i'm sure they would have said cameron was a racist.

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skyjedi2005 said:

TheBoost said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Even Cameron has become an apologist with AVATAR.

 

And Cameron needs to get his wimpy politics out of my entertainment. To imply that forced relocation and genocide is bad makes me sick.

I was not referring to the angle of the native americans but that it made as some claim al quida seem like the good guys and they are the enemy.  The thing with stealing oil from Iraq is mostly a lie anyways we don't get all of our oil from there.

Now i'm not sure i agree with the point of cameron siding with our enemies, he is just pointing out that innocents and civilians are all killed in war.

 Oh. So you're intepretting "Avatar" as an Iraq War analogy?  I think that's stretching the material a bit.

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I don't mind people pointing out real racism in films, but sometime, as is the case with that list,  people just go too far.  If we keep going down this rate, we will never have a film in which the bad guy is black because it will be regarded as racist.  I we have to stop this notion of thinking that how one person acts in a movie is how the movie(and its makers) implies everyone of his/her group acts.   There are dumb, stupid, ignorant, evil, docile, and/or bumbling people in every race/ethnicity/gender/religious group/sexual orientation that there is.   That's just the way life is.   Films should not be required to portray certain in a more positive light than is realistic. 

vote_for_palpatine said:

To imply that forced relocation and genocide is bad makes me sick.

I applaud Cameron. Someone had to have the balls to say it. I mean, I'm sick of all these movies that celebrate those things.

what movies made recently celebrate those things? 

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skyjedi2005 said:

It remind me of people who said empire strikes back was racist because Lando was black and was a traitor to Han a white man.

Whenever I hear that, I like to point out that Lando is the only character in ESB who actually tries to fullfill his responsibilities. 

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So...Romeo must Die is a racist film because the two protagonists didn't kiss at the end of the film?

Really? Really?

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Akwat Kbrana said:

So...Romeo must Die is a racist film because the two protagonists didn't kiss at the end of the film?

Really? Really?

No, it's anti-gay.

Wait...the protagonists are both men, right?

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I thought every definable group was a race these days.

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what movies made recently celebrate those things?

Sarcasm, warbler.

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ah.  I get I know.  I suck at detecting sarcasm. 

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Akwat Kbrana said:

So...Romeo must Die is a racist film because the two protagonists didn't kiss at the end of the film?

Really? Really?

 I think they're refrencing what is seem by some as a de-sexifying of Asian men in American movies.

Asian men can kick some ass, but they cant get the girl (look at Jackie Chan).

I've heard people make the claim, but I've never given much thought to how true it might be.

For what it's worth, does Jet Li or Jackie Chan (or any other Asian dude) ever get the girl?

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TheBoost said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Now i'm not sure i agree with the point of cameron siding with our enemies, he is just pointing out that innocents and civilians are all killed in war.

 Oh. So you're intepretting "Avatar" as an Iraq War analogy?  I think that's stretching the material a bit.

Really?  I have no doubt that Avatar was meant, by Cameron and most other people involved, to be an Irag War analogy.

No doubt whatsoever.

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Yes Things like unobtaniam supposed to be oil.

Quotes like "shock and awe" and "We'll fight terror with terror"

Just like Christopher Nolan having batman wiretap all gotham is supposed to be a condemnation of Bush Patriot Act.

Or Anakin in Episode III Saying "If your not with me then your my enemy".

But i thought the Bush Era was over and we have Hope and Change.

 

Basically no different than Jim's treatment of the destructiveness of man in t2.  He believes that even in the future human nature would not change.

No different than Ray Bradbury having Man destroy Earth in the martian chronicles only to also destroy mars, even if it is not blown up like the earth.  Bradbury referred to man as "locusts".

Basically this is the opposite of the Utopian vision Roddenberry put forward with Star Trek but more true to reality.

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Harold got the girl in the first H&K movie.

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Did not Jet Li get it on with the prostitute in that movie kiss of the dragon or something.

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I don't think getting it on with a prostitute counts as "getting the girl."  Getting it on with a blowup doll doesn't count either.

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xhonzi said:

TheBoost said:

 Oh. So you're intepretting "Avatar" as an Iraq War analogy?  I think that's stretching the material a bit.

Really?  I have no doubt that Avatar was meant, by Cameron and most other people involved, to be an Irag War analogy.

No doubt whatsoever.

OK, I just read that Cameron make some remarks where he explcitly states that was his goal. But he sure did a piss poor job of it.

Everything the Iraq War is about is absent. Iraq is not based on some touchy-feely environementalism and a failure of two peoples to communicate. Even the staunchest opponents of the war wouldn't make that claim.

Now, if Avatar it was set in the Starship Troopers universe, and after the bugs destroy Buenos Aires THEN humans go  invade Avatarworld as retribution, that would be a better analogy.

But just having a character say "there's some resource we want" and using the term "shock and awe" doesn't impart some kind of powerful political meaning into the film.

I declare "epic fail" if Cameron thought he had something relevant to say on Iraq.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Just like Christopher Nolan having batman wiretap all gotham is supposed to be a condemnation of Bush Patriot Act.

I've heard people call that movie an overwhelming defense of Bush's wiretapping and whatnot. 

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When did Iraq attack America?

They attacked Kuwait and Iran but never America.

The last nation state to attack America was Japan.

Starship Troopers would be just as off in terms of the Iraq war.

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TheBoost said:

xhonzi said:

TheBoost said:

 Oh. So you're intepretting "Avatar" as an Iraq War analogy?  I think that's stretching the material a bit.

Really?  I have no doubt that Avatar was meant, by Cameron and most other people involved, to be an Irag War analogy.

No doubt whatsoever.

OK, I just read that Cameron make some remarks where he explcitly states that was his goal. But he sure did a piss poor job of it.

Everything the Iraq War is about is absent. Iraq is not based on some touchy-feely environementalism and a failure of two peoples to communicate. Even the staunchest opponents of the war wouldn't make that claim.

Now, if Avatar it was set in the Starship Troopers universe, and after the bugs destroy Buenos Aires THEN humans go  invade Avatarworld as retribution, that would be a better analogy.

But just having a character say "there's some resource we want" and using the term "shock and awe" doesn't impart some kind of powerful political meaning into the film.

I declare "epic fail" if Cameron thought he had something relevant to say on Iraq.

You know what i agree with you.  AVATAR as a message on the war on terror is one giant epic fail.

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