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Kurgan said:

... the term "Sith" wasn't even invented by Lucas, but borrowed by him from the time of the early drafts and appears in the novelization ("Sith Lord") referring to Vader...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but you're saying Lucas didn't come up with the term "Sith" but borrowed it from the early drafts (that he wrote?).

TheBoost said:

Kurgan said:

... the term "Sith" wasn't even invented by Lucas, but borrowed by him from the time of the early drafts and appears in the novelization ("Sith Lord") referring to Vader...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but you're saying Lucas didn't come up with the term "Sith" but borrowed it from the early drafts (that he wrote?).

Inferior Lucas borrowed it from Superior Lucas.  Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.

Lucas always used concepts originally designed for one film in later films.

Cloud City was the Imperial prison Leia was to be sprung from recycled.

I imagine the asteroid chase was originally going to be an escape from the debris of whatever he was calling Alderaan before he reduced the idea to a bit of rubble too.

Lots of PT planets and character names come from early draughts of OT movies.

Even the EU uses dropped OT concepts (Prince Xizor largely fills in for the ungelded form of Jejerrod in Revenge Of The Jedi).

doubleofive said:

Savage said:

TV's Frink said:

Inferior Lucas borrowed it from Superior Lucas.  Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.

Quote. Of. The. Year. :)

I love how it implies the existence of three separate entities.

I can only take 1/3 credit.  And that's all I'm saying on that topic.

Enigmas said:

Jacen said:

Don't make me destroy you.....

Just hearing Vader say that gives me the oogies....

And it doesn't sound one bit British to me..... it just sounds..... Sith-ish......

Now I think about it, I don't think the word 'Sith' was ever used in the OT. Nor was padawan, Padme or pod race.

 the term may have not been used in the OT. But in the EU, even before the Prequels, they used the word sith and emperor palpatine.

hey everybody, thanx for rembering me...

Lazy Lucas, was Lazy. said:

hey everybody, thanx for rembering me...

Remember when people used to line up around the block George?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_GJkKMPHxw

rcb said:

Enigmas said:

Now I think about it, I don't think the word 'Sith' was ever used in the OT. Nor was padawan, Padme or pod race.

 the term may have not been used in the OT. But in the EU, even before the Prequels, they used the word sith and emperor palpatine.

The phrase "Dark Lord of the Sith" appears in my 1978 copy of the original "Star Wars" novelisation.  It's on page seven, in fact.    :-)

ahh, so it is. good find.

The name Palpatine appears in the preface of Alan Dean Foster's novelisation.

Bingowings said:

The name Palpatine appears in the preface of Alan Dean Foster's novelisation.

The name Bingowings appears on the blurb of the novelisation, which states, "Everyone has bin gowing Star Wars mad since the release of the film".

I salute you Sir,

"Look. Finest quality. Superior workmanship. There is a maker's serial number 9906947-XB71. Interesting. Try Chewtobacca. He make this pun." ;-)

Adywan said:

At the moment i'm working on the backpacks and other costume parts needed to ship over to Rougue Leader and the 2nd unit for the Hoth Troopers.

Good to hear from you again Ady,.

Just spotted what Fine-Molds will be releasing next month

It's a 1:144 version of your 1:72 kit, looks good, there will be clear parts also, this is an early cast for the launch.

There's more photos: http://www.hlj.com/wonfesw10.html

Think its retailing about £35

J

Yeah

I remember also that there was that Star Wars to Jedi Documentary directed by Mark Hamill where he uses the phrase "Dark Lord of the Sith"

I've almost finished my ESB Falcon, here's a montage:

She looks better in motion!!

J

Thanks Angel, race ya!!

J

No, I'm saying Lucas didn't invent the word at all, but borrowed it from an earlier science fiction writer.

The term "Sith" comes from Edgar Rice Burroughs' first "John Carter of Mars" novel. They were described as ferocious "wasp-like creatures."

Everyone talks about Kurosawa and Flash Gordon, but another big inspiration for Lucas is E.E. "Doc" Smith (inventor of the "space opera" genre of sci-fi), writer of the "Lensmen" series, which is where the term "Coruscant" came from (not a planet, but a word meaning "glittering").

The Lensmen were super warriors who had "lenses" that focused their powers (Lucas' abandoned "Kyber crystal" concept used in Splinter of the Mind's Eye), which emanated from the "Cosmic All" (the Force). You could even say Lucas' midichlorians were a (1990's) spin off of this idea.

In fact, Lucas got a lot of his ideas from Smith, including the Jedi and the Force (called different names, but based on similar concepts). After all, Smith wrote before Frank Herbert's "Dune" and inspired his "Prana-Bindu" (Jedi Bendu) training that the Bene Gesserit sisters had, etc.

Nearly all of Lucas' ideas are borrowed from earlier sources. But yes, the Black Knights of the Sith were a group of evil warriors from the early drafts (controlling the evil Bogan "para-force" rather than the Ashla "force of others"), and "Darth" wasn't a title, just a first name for a "grim looking general" who wasn't one of them, wasn't a cyborg, and had no super powers (that was Prince Valorum).

Read "The Secret History of Star Wars" (2008, in print) by Michael Kaminski. It's quite enlightening.

Kurgan said:

Read "The Secret History of Star Wars" (2008, in print) by Michael Kaminski. It's quite enlightening.

This is like the fourth time I've seen you mention this in the past few days.  Are you a sock?

;-)