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Every time some one says DS, i think your having a dig at moi.
Just type those extra letters to say "Death Star", so i can move along.
Bingowings said:
It might be a nice homage to try and replicate the storyboard as closely as possible (it's almost there as it is).
I think some of the fire is coming from the ships to the surface but in your mockup it seems to be coming mostly the other way (traditionally that would be green lasers for the bad guys).
I was lazy:P
Well yeah.. DS has big enough firepower to cause serious damage even when its damaged..(see rebel strike) I said i was bored to put more space traffic. so the defending lasers could hit the other(missing in my mockup) capitals or bombers
And since the capitals are so close, they risk their hulls.
-Angel
Every time some one says DS, i think your having a dig at moi.
Just type those extra letters to say "Death Star", so i can move along.
Some things that came to my head:
Empire
1. Modify the Emperor's voice so he sounds more like in ROTJ.
2. Enhance Bossk a tad (like the Cantina creatures).
3. Have the voice in Bespin that says "Who are you?!" sounds more like a stormtrooper, so it makes sense 3PO goes "Stormtroopers? Here? We're in danger!".
4. Restore Darth Vader's "Ahhhgh!".
5. Have ligthnings below Luke when he is hanging for his life in Bespin, to make the possibility of his fall even more edgy and exxxxtreme.
Jedi
1. Have Jabba drooling foam when Leia strangles him, sort of a sick end for a sick character.
2. Fix bad music editing during the Sail Berge Assault.
3. Fix bad music editing when the Emperor arrives (maybe re-editing the scene so it matches with the Album version of the cue).
4. Fix bad music editing when Luke attacks the Emperor (this one lasts a few seconds though).
5. Fix bad music edits in general (ROTJ had too damn many).
6. Fix instances where Ewoks make Jawa sounds.
Put Cargo Hold in the Captain Solo said:
Empire
1. Modify the Emperor's voice so he sounds more like in ROTJ.
If not a redub then the best is to assume that the hologram change the voice.. plus the slower tones make him more evil/mysterious...
2. Enhance Bossk a tad (like the Cantina creatures).
Ady taken care of it.
3. Have the voice in Bespin that says "Who are you?!" sounds more like a stormtrooper, so it makes sense 3PO goes "Stormtroopers? Here? We're in danger!".
Yeah.
4. Restore Darth Vader's "Ahhhgh!".
Ugh is better IMO.
5. Have ligthnings below Luke when he is hanging for his life in Bespin, to make the possibility of his fall even more edgy and exxxxtreme.
lol?
Jedi
1. Have Jabba drooling foam when Leia strangles him, sort of a sick end for a sick character.
Awesome idea! i love it. Maybe i will make some mockups
2. Fix bad music editing during the Sail Berge Assault.
Yeah.
3. Fix bad music editing when the Emperor arrives (maybe re-editing the scene so it matches with the Album version of the cue).
That shot needs total fixing visually and audibly.
4. Fix bad music editing when Luke attacks the Emperor (this one lasts a few seconds though).
Yeah.
5. Fix bad music edits in general (ROTJ had too damn many).
Yeaaaah...
6. Fix instances where Ewoks make Jawa sounds.
True.
-Angel
When DS2's superlaser destroyed the MC80 class star cruiser "Liberty" (the first star cruise destroyed), I think the beam should go right through the ship and it's concussive energy of the hit should vape it's escorts (the frigate and the corvette that are next to it) and maybe some starfighters too. I always thought that only one ship got hit and nothing happens to the ships around it was kinda odd and it would show the crazy power of the superlaser.
More b-wings. XD
Bothans during the breifing. At least one in the background... I saw someone with a costume a while ago but it's not really well done. I was thinking maybe this image:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Koth_Melan could be over layed onto someone in the background preferably in the shadows (spys and all..). This image originally came from the SW CCG card which takes live action images (I actually have this card too).
The impossible is what Rogues do best...
Rogue Leader said:
I was thinking maybe this image:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Koth_Melan could be over layed onto someone in the background preferably in the shadows (spys and all..). This image originally came from the SW CCG card which takes live action images (I actually have this card too).
Shadows of the Empire was a great project. I think it dominates the prequels. I would even drool a little bit, if we could see the outrider in the Endor battle. Even if it was just a single frame from a long distance.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:
Rogue Leader said:
I was thinking maybe this image:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Koth_Melan could be over layed onto someone in the background preferably in the shadows (spys and all..). This image originally came from the SW CCG card which takes live action images (I actually have this card too).
Shadows of the Empire was a great project. I think it dominates the prequels. I would even drool a little bit, if we could see the outrider in the Endor battle. Even if it was just a single frame from a long distance.
Not likely Dash's ship will be added to any version of the Battle of Endor but it was cool that it was added into the SE of ANH. One of the few things that was notably cool without being ridiculous about the SE.
Oh and seeing the quad laser turrets of the Falcon lighting up TIEs during the Battle of Endor would be SWEET...
The impossible is what Rogues do best...
When it comes to Bothans it's difficult because they are entirely EU creations, they get a mention in ROTJ but their look and culture and key characters exist entirely in the books and comics so you either go with that take, which is essentially Lionman :
or Nosferatu with whiskers :
Or you invent something new from scratch in which case why bother calling them Bothans?
Also the line in Jedi doesn't really do it for me.
The Rebels don't sound like an organisation that would divide itself along lines of race or species.
Back in 1983, I thought they were just people (more probably humans like Corellians) from the Planet Botha, I invented a little back story to fill in the lack of one in the film, that they were living right under the heel of the Empire and there was a mass break out to get the 'false' information out (the sort of trick John J Sheridan would later pull in B5) .
It was important to me that their planet was the focus and not their race because otherwise it makes Mon Mothma sound like a crass racist.
Imagine if a politician came on the air and said "Many Orientals died to give us this information".
It sounds really weird and kind of disturbing.
"Many Koreans died to give us this information", doesn't sound as bad because it's linked to a place not a race, species or ethnic group.
The Rebels are a freedom fighting military (or arguably paramilitary) organisation and rather than referring to a fallen regiment or squadron they are using a racial or species descriptive term???
If Bothans are just humans from a specific planet it makes it easier to avoid the confusion in the phrase (there could be Bothans in the room already for all we know) but it just seems a bit too much like ham-fisted heart string pulling about a people we know nothing about in the context of the film.
It's one of the reasons why I still like the Boba Fett selling the information to the rebels idea.
Outside the EU we know nothing about Bothans, we don't know why everyone is so sad about their loss as compared to all the other losses the Rebels have had.
It's just a random line dropped into the briefing to underline that the information was difficult to get hold of (but in a war almost all military intelligence is difficult to get hold of and often has a cost in lives surely that's a given).
Having them buy the information makes Leia's "I hope it was worth the price we paid" line cease to be emotionally squeezing.
Are Bothans more important than Humans or Mon Calamari?
How many is many enough to be worthy of two lines of dialogue but no appearance?
Or maybe Bothans are just so cute that the death of so many of them is universally heartbreaking :
Hello,
Once many many thanks to the outstanding Vaderios screens, where they would then come into RotJ, it would be in the truest senses Perfect!!
Really great job!
But have a question for the Sarlacc.
Somehow, it occurs to me Sarlacc not really well over the foot in the SE or DVD version looks like from the little Shop of Horrors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLO7IxKwruc
If we could not omit it or modify it, that it looks really creepy?
So I am thinking, for example Dune at the foot of the sand worms ... a real pit.
I also think that the Sarlacc is not exactly small ... deep in the earth, is also in the sand to liquid.
Here, it might also consider whether it is not out of the mouth-pharynx one can ascend the Sarlacc little fog, a kind of water vapor from the depth of his being.
Finally, the pit so that also means the Great Pit of Carkoon.
Would also like that one would look after the flight from Solo & Co by Tattoine something of Boba Fett, eg as the hand comes out of the sand, sees the one that he saved himself.
Somewhere there were times s small video or picture to find it ... but no more
Hmm Bothan would certainly not wrong ... as in Ep.II
The only proof you have that that is a Bothan is that it looks a bit like some of the EU descriptions.
Even if it's official (which it isn't http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Holwuff ) it's never mentioned.
The audience of ROTJ would not connect that image (which you have had to blow up and point out with a red arrow) with the moment of forced sadness in the the final film.
I tried to go in the direction of the sketch.....
@ Bingowings: You're right!
@ DF Shadow: It's not bad, I like this better than the originals, this is still true if the sound is not bad.
Although it looks a little bit of a Handpuppet...
It looks like a hillbilly muppet! XD
Rogue Leader said:
When DS2's superlaser destroyed the MC80 class star cruiser "Liberty" (the first star cruise destroyed), I think the beam should go right through the ship and it's concussive energy of the hit should vape it's escorts (the frigate and the corvette that are next to it) and maybe some starfighters too. I always thought that only one ship got hit and nothing happens to the ships around it was kinda odd and it would show the crazy power of the superlaser.
Well im working on a mockup when the beam is continuous and not just a shot. With that concept can justify, adding more rebel capitals instread just a few.. change the cannon shot like i proposed with a more detailed unfinished one(even i agree that shot needs alteration like Bingo suggested) And for michael bay's sake better visuals of the cutted instead of boom ( See starship troopers for ideas)
-Angel
LoL @ hillbilly muppet.
That in itself is frightening.
The Sarlacc should be much bigger.
It might look less comical if the inner mouth looked more like a Graboid :
Or Ady (or whoever) just gets rid of the stupid beak; I always thought that the beak was a thrown-in afterthought. If anything was to be done, I would try to animate the rows of teeth to actually close/constrict like an actual mouth making biting movements and something to show that it is anticipating the meal above.
A good example is the sarlaccic creature near the end of the TV miniseries THE ODYSSEY with Armand Assante (at 5:45 of part 10 and the beginning of part 11).
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vaderios said:
3 versions to choose from:
Still searching for suitable BG..
-Angel
I think the BG should have a rebel capital ship on it with a big ol red target reticule on it.
Monroville said:
Or Ady (or whoever) just gets rid of the stupid beak; I always thought that the beak was a thrown-in afterthought. If anything was to be done, I would try to animate the rows of teeth to actually close/constrict like an actual mouth making biting movements and something to show that it is anticipating the meal above.
A good example is the sarlaccic creature near the end of the TV miniseries THE ODYSSEY with Armand Assante (at 5:45 of part 10 and the beginning of part 11).
I would be really neat to see it spin those teeth in the manner of a blender. That would make it more intimidating. Sort of a rip off of the Langoliers, only not as horribly animated.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Even the Sarlaac in The Force Unleashed didn't have a beak. I would not miss it if it was gone entirely. Also, I love the idea of the teeth rows contracting a bit, like a bit nasty sphincter.
Rogue Leader said:
When DS2's superlaser destroyed the MC80 class star cruiser "Liberty" (the first star cruise destroyed), I think the beam should go right through the ship and it's concussive energy of the hit should vape it's escorts (the frigate and the corvette that are next to it) and maybe some starfighters too. I always thought that only one ship got hit and nothing happens to the ships around it was kinda odd and it would show the crazy power of the superlaser.
I see your point and I´m not against it although I don´t think that having the beam "stopping" after hitting the Liberty looks bad; afterall, the imperials would have adjusted it for a small target... On the other hand, if we think about the estimated size of the DSII and how big those laser beams must be... having such a weapon used on a trivial target as a cruiser looks an awful waste of energy... :D
Having the Liberty´s escorts being destroyed as well makes sense; if not the DS laser itself the explosions of the Liberty alone should destroy the corvette and fighters and at least damage the frigate. Actually, back in the day, shockwave damage by nearby exploding craft was one of the few cool additions to the X-Wing Alliance game... And as a somehow related piece of trivia, if editing a mission and have the DSII fire at a Super Star Destroyer in the game, it would oddly take several shots to destroy it; but if the shot went THROUGH the SSD when firing at another target, the SSD would be destroyed immediately, in a way achieveing the effect suggested in Rogue Leader´s post... :)
Remembering the old concepts we had with Bingo, i came with an idea that being held because of lack of imagination..
Right click/view image
The idea was to extend the roof so other holograms/monitors/levels be visible to brake that used boring set.. The wide lens makes the things a bit hell to be done...
whats the story.. in the pics you will see a pan up shot that the camera will look up after the generals enter the room..
The space and the enxtension is temp while needs work adding many elements as monitors/projectors and rebels etc..
It can work showing that the rebels are more than a bunch of ppl.
Constructive Ideas? Brainstorm on that...
-Angel
As always please forgive the crudity of the mockup :
Bingowings said:
As alway please forgive the crudity of the mockup :
Aaah Thanks!
I was looking for something like that!
:D
-Angel
That was the first thing that flashed in front of my mind but remember the design montage sticking the briefing area into a pit in a larger space?
I wish I had the time and know how to model these :
And the cherry picker Black Hole mockup?