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Vaderios, the death star shield generator is perfect. An OT styled effect that still looks great and would fit very well into the current film.
I agree with you getting away from a cheesy tv sci fi effect.
Matticon
vaderios said:
DuTwan said:
Looks awesome, would of done had some colour where the explosions were though, just small blue glow effect or something like that, to show its like a shield. Something like this but not as dramatic.
I want to avoid clishe sci fi effects. Show energy/glow/bubble is not star wars.
Star wars always had invisible force fields and worked best rather having visible shields..
PT messed that up in some places..
-Angel
Thats true to be honest Angel. All PT's fault, its mentally effected my judgement, my OT if I did one would be more like the PT knowing my luck. haha. Be glad im not doing any editing
Vaderios, the death star shield generator is perfect. An OT styled effect that still looks great and would fit very well into the current film.
I agree with you getting away from a cheesy tv sci fi effect.
Matticon
Thanks^ :)
So Why this instead of that..
SE vader's arrival is an example of how a shot can be more dynamic rather centered boring and with lack of good perspective and shuttle's animation..
Going with my mockup that deathstar's hangar section has vastness depth (which it should have been like that for the sake of the size of the station) we will not be able to see the exterior..
If we follow the matte of the movie then we have a promlem with the original shot..
So:
Third pic has the window for a more original approach lol
Angel
I like the rancor video. I had a similar idea about that scene. My idea was just having Luke force push the switch with no abject at all.
I like the luke getting shocked idea.....that worked very well.
There seemed to be something missing, so...
DE
Thanks DE i missed that :)
I owe you one ;)
Also From Bingo to Bingo, to all of you..
Make that crap set more like ANH.. red or without red
-Angel
Holy hole in a fondue dish Batman!
Brilliant simply brilliant!
Actually in this instance the red stripe looks great too (matches the lift decor now it's red and not a washed out magenta).
He could still do with his rank insignia just to complete the package.
Is it me or does it look upside down?
It is upside down... It works that way too
The ranks i cant do much for them since if there is no way to make them in motion.. so.. :(
-Angel
It's Lieutenant Lionel Richie :-D
Im losing the point of the joke here? :O
-Angel
vaderios said:
Im losing the point of the joke here? :O
-Angel
Besides that i dont think is so in your face the upside down, right?
It can work in the other shots too :D
Plus thinking adding a bigger view screen to jarjarzod when he fires the gun.
Similar to ANH but bigger and more wide..revisiting my old mockup..
-Angel
I think you'd get away with it more if you put some ceiling panels in where the obvious console controls are (you might be able to pinch some details from the Endor bunker set).
Or just by sampling from the earlier set (see the vents and cylinder lights and the random panels underneath) :
Maybe rotating the odd panel here and there where lighting will allow.
Not quite there, the stripe is now off but you get the jist I hope:
It got passed my fraction of a second detection system so essentially it's almost there and it looks a lot better than the original set but I think it's worth the effort because you have done such a good job on it.
That guy deserves a better work space and you have almost nailed it.
I had a thought regarding being able to make these things as stills and not in motion. It would take ages, but for short clips, over time, would look great.
What if the artists who do the still shots got frame-by-frame stills of a sequence, edited each still, then strung them together again with the film's audio? It would work, it would just take ages, since it's 24 frames per SECOND.
Just a thought.
Seeing as there isn't much camera movement making a new backdrop for some scenes and dropping the actors in shouldn't be too difficult (by that I mean it would be as easy as building a model cathedral out of matchsticks).
The more the camera moves the more close to impossible it gets.
These still mockups are largely concept sketches, other people do video mockups (ex, Dave and SSWR) and then the real hard as nails people like Darth Editous, Adywan etc do the really difficult task of picking what works and what's plausible and devote a lot of time doing it too, that's why such wizards are so rare).
To do a video mockup to the level of Angel's stills without a definite project to drop it into would be a fabulous waste of effort.
You would essentially need the set up of a major project but not get the pay off of an epic masterwork.
In theory you could do the whole thing one frame at a time but err... not me thanks (I know my limits and I'm sticking to them) ;-)
What if the artists who do the still shots got frame-by-frame stills of a sequence, edited each still, then strung them together again with the film's audio? It would work
Darth Editous said:
You can be a few pixels out with a mask on a still and it will go unnoticed, but if that mask shifts by another few pixels on the next frame, even if it still looks great by itself, the motion-detection bit of your brain will light up like a Christmas tree. It's a constant back-and-forth - adjust frame 2 to match frame 1, then you'll need to adjust frame 3 to match frame 4, only to find you can't maintain that into frame 4, so you have to go back through the frames again...
It's one thing do a nice mock like Angel seems to spend most of his waking life doing
True.. the maskin work is pain.. Ady said that even the simpler shots need over 3 days of work.. (thiniking back what her did in the smoke hoth shot)
No David, you havent seen yet what i can do in my sleep ;D :D
Here is a hit..
Now i see that the curvature of the upside down gives a more advanced look rather have straight lines.. now ofc you are right that it needs more work to make it more correct but it worked well. Curves vs straight lines always win :D
-Angel
vaderios said:
Thanks DE i missed that :)
I owe you one ;)
Also From Bingo to Bingo, to all of you..
Make that crap set more like ANH.. red or without red
-Angel
It is very funny. It looks very much like 1977 Star Wars, but it looks newer than the original ROTJ. Good god, that is a black hole inside a black hole.
Way to add life to that set.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Timstuff said:
The term we learned in film school is "crossing the axis," which is when the audience's eyes are moving in one direction, when suddenly they are forced to move in another. It's something that we should try to avoid, which is why sometimes a director will opt to flip a shot even if it means inconsistencies. An error like a strap on the wrong side of a character is a minor nuisance compared to how badly crossing the axis takes the viewer out of the experience.
What he said! :P Yeah, I should probably read up more on my film terminology! :D
Thanks for the feedback on the video guys! Even though it would still need more sound work, I love that the music is now very clear and not so muddy like it originally was. :P
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
But that is subjective, some people (like myself) are more distracted by those inconsistencies so it's not a minor problem for me personally and possibly a large number of people.
The direction of the shot should be sorted without resorting to flipping.
Either film new elements or turn as much of the existing element so the inconsistency isn't so obvious.
At the end of the day a flipshot is very, very rarely an artistic statement e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelgänger_(1969_film)
It's a money saving exercise from an age when expensive film stock processing was the only way to construct a shot beyond just pointing a camera at something actually happening.
Sudden change of subject alert!!
Does the guy in the ANH red room look like a young Richard Burton to you or is that just me too?
Bingowings said:
The direction of the shot should be sorted without resorting to flipping.
Either film new elements or turn as much of the existing element so the inconsistency isn't so obvious.
I certainly agree there. I think Adywan did that with a few shots in ANH and ESB already...didn't he?
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Bingowings said:
The direction of the shot should be sorted without resorting to flipping.
Either film new elements or turn as much of the existing element so the inconsistency isn't so obvious.
I certainly agree there. I think Adywan did that with a few shots in ANH and ESB already...didn't he?
He flipped the entire sequence after Han and Co arrive at Yavin (at least a minute straight of flipped footage!) and he flipped some shots on Hoth of Han cutting the TaunTaun so that its feet and arms didn't change position between shots.
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There's also the flopped (that's the correct term, says Wikipedia) shots to correct the helmet mic discontinuities during the BoY, which in at least one case results in a cut between two pilots which gives the impression they're about to fly into each other (at least, to me).
The temple footage ends, in Ady's cut, with Artoo facing one way, then facing the other way after the (shortened) wipe, but that one doesn't jump out at me so much. It's more incongruous simply because I've seen those shots the "wrong" way round so often.
DE
3 versions to choose from:
Still searching for suitable BG..
-Angel
I like the idea of it overlooking the superlaser (though I think the angle is all wrong currently), but I've always imagined him pointing at the Rebel fleet, or a targeting screen. Or when I'm being stupid, a picture of Will Riker on the Enterprise ("Fire at Will, Commander!")
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