zombie84 said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
Some films may be crap to you, but liked by others. You are not correct any more than other people are, because it's all just taste. Its incredibly presumptuous that discussion of movies goes anywhere beyond what I like and you like, as if there is some greater truth that exists outside of our perceptions.
That's the it's-all-subjective viewpoint. I don't subscribe to that view.
Well then you are an idiot. If a film is entertaining to someone then its entertaining for them, it doesn't matter whether you share that view or not. You can back up your claims with arguments for sophistication of plot and character, but sometimes entertainment doesn't need to be sophisticated, otherwise we wouldn't have Jacky Chan, The Three Stooges, or low-budget horror, in all cases where the lack of sophistication is partly the appeal. But at the end of the day there is no objective truth beyond your perception of what you like and why, art is not some objective object that you can measure scientifically in this respect, its effectiveness is an emotional resonance created in people, sometimes for different reasons, but none of them any more or less valid than anyone elses.
Don't confuse the study of film and its mechanics, and the justification of why you like the film because of those mechanics, with something that makes your opinion somehow more real. It's not real, it's still just a subjective view at the end of the day, regardless of how you articulate it.
If a film is entertaining to someone then its entertaining for them, it doesn't matter whether you share that view or not.
I'm talking about how good a film is, not how entertaining it is.
but sometimes entertainment doesn't need to be sophisticated
No, but it needs to have quality if it's to be good art.
But at the end of the day there is no objective truth beyond your perception of what you like and why, art is not some objective object that you can measure scientifically in this respect, its effectiveness is an emotional resonance created in people, sometimes for different reasons, but none of them any more or less valid than anyone elses.
This is a complex subject about which you are very certain of your view. But I have my own reasons for not subscribing to that view.
Well then you are an idiot.
Are personal attacks really necessary? I don't see how that statement was necessary to making your point. It seems to have just been stuck in for the sake of making an attack on me.
Don't confuse the study of film and its mechanics, and the justification of why you like the film because of those mechanics, with something that makes your opinion somehow more real. It's not real, it's still just a subjective view at the end of the day, regardless of how you articulate it
Again, a complex subject. Your view is a popular one, but it is not the only possible view.