Warbler said:

TOS is crap???? to me and every other TOS fan, that is blasphemous. It is certainly not crap. Are the special effects crap? maybe. But you have to realize they were made in the 60's and they didn't have much of a budget. I find many of the episodes have a powerful message. Take City on The Edge Of Forever. That is certainly not crap. I don't how you can call TOS crap. If it was, explain how 5 series and 11 movies have come out of it.

I wouldnt go so far as to say TOS was crap, but I myself have never particuarly cared for it. I like TNG more, but I prefer the films in general.

When I read something like the compelling, suspenseful, dramatic events of 'Undiscovered Country' are somehow bad because they're not well enough in line with the Utopian ideals of the series, my feeling is always that I'd rather have a good epic movie than some episode where the Enterprise meets the Greek gods or breaks the Prime Directive so Kirk can monologue on morallity.

That 'First Contact' is bad because it kicks ass and has intense human emotion, rather than a Captain who drinks some tea and decides he's philisophically opposed to stopping the Borg and then makes a speech about secular humanism and socialism strikes me as a fairly irrelevant argurment against my favorite TNG film.