Warbler said:

Vaderisnothayden said:
Spock's sacrifice had depth, but otherwise Khan was a crap movie (ok, Saavik was good, but other than that). Overrated in the extreme. With the TOS movies, each movie is better than one before it, with 6 being the best. And yes I am saying 5 was the second best. It's not a great movie, but it's an improvement on the ones before. 6 is the only good TOS movie. The TNG movies have various levels of quality, but I think the last two were the best. Yes, that includes the much-maligned Nemesis. Insurrection had some emotional depth. Generations was a disappointment. First Contact was ok. I'm not bothered by Picard getting more action heroey. Seeing as the movies all happen after the tv series, maybe he changed in character after the end of the show. People do change. From what I'm hearing about RLM's comments on Trek movies, it doesn't sound like I'd agree with his trek reviews either. I still can't believe he said Qui Gon has no personality. Lack of perception.

I have to say, Vaderisnothayden. Your opinions on the Star Trek movies is not shared by the majority. Of that doesn't necessarily make them wrong. Personally, I've always thought 2 was the best and 5 was the worst. I could never get past the scene where Spock just hands Sybok the gun and lets him take over the ship. It was an absolutely stupid scene. Why would Spock just hand him the gun? I can understand not shooting him, but there were other options. Spock could have given the gun to someone else and said "I can't shoot him, he's my brother", Spock could have used the nerve pinch. Spock could have hit Sybok over the head with the gun and knocked him unconscious. He could have decked Sybok. He could have shot Sybok in the leg. If the gun had a stun setting, he could have just stunned Sybok. All of those options are better and more logical than just handing Sybok the gun and lettting him take over the ship.

Honestly, Vaderisnothayden I don't see want is so good about Star Trek 5 and what is so bad about Star Trek 2.

I know my opinions are not shared by the majority. But then majorities have historically been in favor of things like homophobia, sexism, racism, anti-semitism and believing the world was flat. Majorities are wrong more often than not. I never said 5 was "so good". In fact, I think I indicated that 6 was the only good TOS movie. But Khan is awful. It's badly made generally and the character of Khan is awful beyond belief, including a stomach-turning performance from Ricardo Montalban. I can never fathom why some people think this movie is so good.