RedLetterMedia's Revenge of Nadine [TPM 108 pg Resp. [RotS Review+RotS Preview+ST'09 Reveiw+Next Review Teaser+2002 Interview+AotC OutTakes+Noooooo! Doc.+SW Examiner Rebuttal+AotC Review+TPM Review] — Page 10

I agree with TV's Frink and bkev.  The thread title changes are awesome. 

The subject at hand has been debated over and over with no end in sight.

The thread titles are original and entertaining.

It reminds me of why I like the TPM review.  I don't care about the analysis, but I find it entertaining.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Are you telling me that in all his reviews he cracks jokes about killing women?

I know! How annoying! Don't you just hate it when people get hung up on peripheral issues and absolutely refuse to let matters go? Geez!

Misogyny is a serious issue and deserves to be addressed. Maybe you'd prefer to sweep it under the carpet, but I don't agree.

And for the record, I'd have been quite happy to let it go ages ago if other people would have let it go, but they've constantly come back telling me my view is mistaken. It should come as no surprise that I'd want to keep defending my view as long as it's being attacked. If they'd have shut up about it I would have done so too.

Ok, I've PMed Bingowings and asked if we could stop discussing the issue on the thread. Happy now?

Vaderisnothayden said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Ah, civility, thou art a gem.

Find something more original to do than going around sniping at me. That's already been done. And for the record, I was more than civil enough to Bingo, considering he was basically telling me to fuck off from the thread.

I was going to avoid this thread for a while until I had something new to add about the content of the review.

But I can't allow myself to misrepresented.

I received a PM from the VINH asking me the details of RLM70's other reviews and what I thought the satire was all about and repeated what I've already posted here.

I did not (basically or otherwise) tell him to do as quoted above I merely asked if he had nothing new to add about the content of the review or the delivery it might make sense to not post here until he did (something I intended to do myself).

I'm going to do something I've never done before on this site and it pains me to do it but I'm going to add VINH to my otherwise empty ignore list.

If I think of anything to do with the content of the reviews I will post them here but I will not comment on anything else.

Bingowings said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Are you telling me that in all his reviews he cracks jokes about killing women?

I know! How annoying! Don't you just hate it when people get hung up on peripheral issues and absolutely refuse to let matters go? Geez!

Misogyny is a serious issue and deserves to be addressed. Maybe you'd prefer to sweep it under the carpet, but I don't agree.

And for the record, I'd have been quite happy to let it go ages ago if other people would have let it go, but they've constantly come back telling me my view is mistaken. It should come as no surprise that I'd want to keep defending my view as long as it's being attacked. If they'd have shut up about it I would have done so too.

Ok, I've PMed Bingowings and asked if we could stop discussing the issue on the thread. Happy now?

 

Vaderisnothayden said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Ah, civility, thou art a gem.

Find something more original to do than going around sniping at me. That's already been done. And for the record, I was more than civil enough to Bingo, considering he was basically telling me to fuck off from the thread.

I was going to avoid this thread for a while until I had something new to add about the content of the review.

But I can't allow myself to misrepresented.

I received a PM from the VINH asking me the details of RLM70's other reviews and what I thought the satire was all about and repeated what I've already posted here.

I did not (basically or otherwise) tell him to do as quoted above I merely asked if he had nothing new to add about the content of the review or the delivery it might make sense to not post here until he did (something I intended to do myself).

I'm going to do something I've never done before on this site and it pains me to do it but I'm going to add VINH to my otherwise empty ignore list.

If I think of anything to do with the content of the reviews I will post them here but I will not comment on anything else.

 

You weren't misrepresented at all. You just admitted you were telling me to get off the thread, which was what I said you were doing.

I did not (basically or otherwise) tell him to do as quoted above I merely asked if he had nothing new to add about the content of the review or the delivery it might make sense to not post here until he did (something I intended to do myself).

Amounts to the same thing. You were saying I had nothing to add and thus shouldn't post here. You were thus telling me to get off the thread, or, as I put it, you were "basically telling me to fuck from the thread". It may have not included such language, but the "basically" in my statement indicated I didn't mean you actually literally used such language. The meaning of what you said was as I represented it. You didn't merely ask if I had nothing new to add. You implied that I actually had nothing to add and your implication was that I should therefore get off the thread, and there was nothing in it about you doing the same, nor was there any indication that I had any right to come back to the thread at any later point. I didn't misrepresent you at all.

And I think you had no business telling me to get off the thread, which was why I was annoyed (but you notice I didn't put you on ignore for it).

And let's make this clear, all this happened ON THIS THREAD, out in the open, not in our PMs, so it's not like I said "Bingowings PMed me and told me to fuck off." I never claimed you telling me to get off the thread was anything to do with our PMs. So I don't see why you had to bring our PMing into it. I PMed you (earlier, before you told me here to get off the thread) to ask you if we could both stop debating the misogyny issue here, for the sake of the thread, and I asked you to clarify your views because I was interested in your opinion. You gave me your opinion and I gave you mine. That's all that happened and I never claimed anything else.

You know, I get accused of being touchy, but it amazes me how touchy some other people are here. People put people on ignore lists for nothing. If you can't take what I said without having to put me on your ignore list then it doesn't say much for you.

Hey, where'd the cool titles go?

Boooooooooo!

Maybe somebody ate them.

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??

Every time I think this thread can't possibly get any better, I'm proven wrong yet again.

xoxoxoxo

Vaderisnothayden said:

Spock's sacrifice had depth, but otherwise Khan was a crap movie (ok, Saavik was good, but other than that). Overrated in the extreme. With the TOS movies, each movie is better than one before it, with 6 being the best. And yes I am saying 5 was the second best. It's not a great movie, but it's an improvement on the ones before. 6 is the only good TOS movie. The TNG movies have various levels of quality, but I think the last two were the best. Yes, that includes the much-maligned Nemesis. Insurrection had some emotional depth. Generations was a disappointment. First Contact was ok. I'm not bothered by Picard getting more action heroey. Seeing as the movies all happen after the tv series, maybe he changed in character after the end of the show. People do change. From what I'm hearing about RLM's comments on Trek movies, it doesn't sound like I'd agree with his trek reviews either. I still can't believe he said Qui Gon has no personality. Lack of perception.

I have to say, Vaderisnothayden.   Your opinions on the Star Trek movies is not shared by the majority.    Of that doesn't necessarily make them wrong.   Personally,  I've always thought 2 was the best and 5 was the worst.   I could never get past the scene where Spock just hands Sybok the gun and lets him take over the ship.  It was an absolutely stupid scene.  Why would Spock just hand him the gun?   I can understand not shooting him, but there were other options.  Spock could have given the gun to someone else and said "I can't shoot him, he's my brother",  Spock could have used the nerve pinch.   Spock could have hit Sybok over the head with the gun and knocked him unconscious.  He could have decked Sybok.   He could have shot Sybok in the leg.   If the gun had a stun setting, he could have just stunned Sybok.  All of those options are better and more logical than just handing Sybok the gun and lettting him take over the ship.  

Honestly,  Vaderisnothayden  I don't see want is so good about Star Trek 5 and what is so bad about Star Trek 2.    

I love TWOK but it feels more like a really good television episode, TMP may be highly derivative of OS episodes (but so is TWOK) however it is more true to the mission statement of Star Trek, exploration.

V'ger may be a threat but the crew have to explore and investigate the alien technology and rationale of V'ger, something that's lacking in pretty much every other Star Trek film.

The special edition of TMP I think got the balance between special effects and characterisation right.

Those long slow effects shots serve a purpose in the same way that the opening shot of ANH does.

Kirk is in love with The Enterprise (so we see him slowly caress her curves in the shuttle approach). The entrance into the cloud is like the approach to Castle Dracula, it's a bewildering alien environment and exactly the sort of thing the ship and the crew were assembled to investigate in the first place. Finally you have the survey of the V'Ger vessel which not only establishes how huge V'ger is in comparison to The (already shown huge on a human scale) Enterprise but also how unlike The Enterprise it is. If The Enterprise is Kirk's female love interest the V'ger vessel is a sharp gothic dragon a giant vampire bat. It is also a sign of Kirk's daring that he flies so close around it. If V'ger were a Klingon it would be like him walking around it and getting into a staring contest.

TMP is a much more cinematic experience than any of the other films (including the most recent which is pretty much a remake of Nemesis with much of the plot of ANH shoe-horned in, though Chris Pine did an amazing job with Kirk).

vote_for_palpatine said:

 

2

6

4

3

5

1

 

That is undoubtedly the correct order and not up for debate. I've thought about it extensively.

I entirely agree, vote_for_palpatine; although I like 3 and 4 equally, so in my ranking the position of those two is interchangeable.  I also think that the director's cut of 1 is almost but not quite equal to 5.  

I actually think 5 is underrated.  Shatner actually did a pretty good job of directing it.  It is just that the studio insisted on the insertion of much of the humor, and cut Shatner's budget more than once, so he had to change his vision for the film.   Moreover, ILM were not available for the special effects. 

The original film was to have been much darker and more interesting than the final result would suggest, and I quite enjoyed the novelisation of it.   It is a shame the studio didn't allow Shatner to produce a director's cut like that of TMP.  I also wonder if the original would have been better if Nimoy had executive produced it.

Warbler said:

Spork could have used the nerve pinch.

A spork would have added sooooooooo much more to that scene.

I've corrected my post

vote_for_palpatine said:

 

2

6

4

3

5

1

 

That is undoubtedly the correct order and not up for debate. I've thought about it extensively.

Here is my order  for the films

2

4

3

6

1

5

Warbler said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Spock's sacrifice had depth, but otherwise Khan was a crap movie (ok, Saavik was good, but other than that). Overrated in the extreme. With the TOS movies, each movie is better than one before it, with 6 being the best. And yes I am saying 5 was the second best. It's not a great movie, but it's an improvement on the ones before. 6 is the only good TOS movie. The TNG movies have various levels of quality, but I think the last two were the best. Yes, that includes the much-maligned Nemesis. Insurrection had some emotional depth. Generations was a disappointment. First Contact was ok. I'm not bothered by Picard getting more action heroey. Seeing as the movies all happen after the tv series, maybe he changed in character after the end of the show. People do change. From what I'm hearing about RLM's comments on Trek movies, it doesn't sound like I'd agree with his trek reviews either. I still can't believe he said Qui Gon has no personality. Lack of perception.

I have to say, Vaderisnothayden.   Your opinions on the Star Trek movies is not shared by the majority.    Of that doesn't necessarily make them wrong.   Personally,  I've always thought 2 was the best and 5 was the worst.   I could never get past the scene where Spock just hands Sybok the gun and lets him take over the ship.  It was an absolutely stupid scene.  Why would Spock just hand him the gun?   I can understand not shooting him, but there were other options.  Spock could have given the gun to someone else and said "I can't shoot him, he's my brother",  Spock could have used the nerve pinch.   Spock could have hit Sybok over the head with the gun and knocked him unconscious.  He could have decked Sybok.   He could have shot Sybok in the leg.   If the gun had a stun setting, he could have just stunned Sybok.  All of those options are better and more logical than just handing Sybok the gun and lettting him take over the ship.  

Honestly,  Vaderisnothayden  I don't see want is so good about Star Trek 5 and what is so bad about Star Trek 2.    

 

I know my opinions are not shared by the majority. But then majorities have historically been in favor of things like homophobia, sexism, racism, anti-semitism and believing the world was flat. Majorities are wrong more often than not. I never said 5 was "so good". In fact, I think I indicated that 6 was the only good TOS movie. But Khan is awful. It's badly made generally and the character of Khan is awful beyond belief, including a stomach-turning performance from Ricardo Montalban. I can never fathom why some people think this movie is so good.

Bingowings said:

I love TWOK but it feels more like a really good television episode, TMP may be highly derivative of OS episodes (but so is TWOK) however it is more true to the mission statement of Star Trek, exploration.

V'ger may be a threat but the crew have to explore and investigate the alien technology and rationale of V'ger, something that's lacking in pretty much every other Star Trek film.

The special edition of TMP I think got the balance between special effects and characterisation right.

Those long slow effects shots serve a purpose in the same way that the opening shot of ANH does.

Kirk is in love with The Enterprise (so we see him slowly caress her curves in the shuttle approach). The entrance into the cloud is like the approach to Castle Dracula, it's a bewildering alien environment and exactly the sort of thing the ship and the crew were assembled to investigate in the first place. Finally you have the survey of the V'Ger vessel which not only establishes how huge V'ger is in comparison to The (already shown huge on a human scale) Enterprise but also how unlike The Enterprise it is. If The Enterprise is Kirk's female love interest the V'ger vessel is a sharp gothic dragon a giant vampire bat. It is also a sign of Kirk's daring that he flies so close around it. If V'ger were a Klingon it would be like him walking around it and getting into a staring contest.

TMP is a much more cinematic experience than any of the other films (including the most recent which is pretty much a remake of Nemesis with much of the plot of ANH shoe-horned in, though Chris Pine did an amazing job with Kirk).

 The Motion Picture is the most unmitigated crap.

Vaderisnothayden said:

But Khan is awful. It's badly made generally and the character of Khan is awful beyond belief, including a stomach-turning performance from Ricardo Montalban. I can never fathom why some people think this movie is so good.

Let me attempt to convince you of the superiority of Khan...

You will like Kahn!

Incidentally, I finally finished RLM's Star Trek reviews.  Though not as enjoyable as his TPM review, I found the ST reviews to be worth the time for the most part.  I'm looking forward to that AOTC review.

Um, that looks like the opening to the old Doctor Who show.

Let me try something. You Will Dislike Khan!

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