Timstuff said:
skyjedi2005 said:
The best answer is to decanonize the special editions and the prequels, and go back and use the original films as inspiration for new EU material.
The modern stuff comes from the bad prequel mentality.
Hell i even prefer Jaxxon the Bunny over Jar Jar Binks.
Jar Jar was bad enough but Hayden Vader/Anakin and dumb Padme were enough to make me want to throw rocks at the theater screen.
Any star wars projects Lucas has had a direct say in or connection to have sucked since post return of the jedi. I mean it might sound wrong but the dude needs to be fired from his own creation since he is the problem.
To me the Zahn Trilogy was a great era for the EU. I made me want to see more star wars films. Instead my childhood memories were trodden upon with garbage looney tune style characters, bad cgi and even worse 1 dimensional characters and nonsense plots, and a almost deliberate break from continuity of the oot. If there was anything i could undue in star wars it would be the special editions and the prequels. Made star wars into a fucking joke and for what to make money?
If not for the Legacy comics and Kotor series and sometimes a good eu novel here or there i would have parted ways with star wars forever because Lucas is still destroying star wars. With the Clone Wars cgi toon, the upcoming live actions series and that awful force unleashed and its sequel. Everything now is a branching off of the bad prequels even the EU.
Star Wars is forever ruined and tarnished. Its deserved legacy is compromised, if that is not bad enough the real original films are buried never to see the light of day again, ever.
Other fans probably have developed an imaginary time machine in their minds where they can go back before 1997 and unruin star wars.
Me i will never forget. Lucas destroyed his own legacy. Now his legacy is cgi. lets see if that lasts 30 years or more,lol.
This thread should be called erase the Prequel Trilogy from Existence, that would solve the EU problem halfway already.
Have you even watched the Clone Wars cartoon, or are you basing your information of it on second hand information? I have not seen the pilot movie (I am still scared of it because it does not look like it has much redeeming value), but the show itself actually surprised me with how good it is, especially once I got to the third disc of season 1. Even though I can certainly imagine that in the movie theater the animation would have looked like poo, it actually looks darned good for an animated TV show. The last CG cartoon I saw that actually made me go "wow" was Starship Troopers, and Clone Wars was the first one since then that managed to do it. And the stories, while some of them are juvenile, a lot of them actually deal with subject matter a lot deeper than even the original trilogy delved into, which for a "kids' cartoon" is very refreshing.
This thread more and more seems to be backing up a long running theory I have: if Lucas puts his name on something, a certain portion of fans are going to automatically decide that it's irredeemably bad and denounce it as destroying their beloved franchise. Am I honestly the only one who's noticed that it's only the fanboys who ever complain about there being such a large perceived quality gap between the original trilogy and the prequels? What about that girl on TheForce.net's podcast who was a "Star Wars virgin" who after viewing the saga in chronological order actually for the most part liked the prequels better (except for-- oddly-enough-- Return of the Jedi)?
I am not saying that the prequels are without fault-- lord knows I've made up plenty of lists of all the stuff I would cut from them, and I would rather watch the Phantom Edits over the theatrical cuts any day of the week. However, I think that 90% of the fan-rage over the sequels is blown out of proportion and mostly comes from fanboys being unable to remove the nostalgia goggles when viewing the originals, and thefore percieve them as being vastly superior to the prequels to the point where the prequels are unwatchable.
The solace I can rest in is that when the next generation of Star Wars fanboys grows up, and George Lucas's son or whoever decides to make episodes 7 8 and 9 or whatever large-scale multi-media project comes next, a bunch of the kids who grew up with the prequels are going to rant and roar about how inferior the "new" Star Wars is to the six moves they grew up watching. At that point, I'll be able to roll my head back and laugh while saying "I've seen all this happen before."
There you go again, using calling stuff fanboyism as a way of putting things down. No, it's not only the fan boys who see such a big gap in quality between the OT and PT. It's the generally accepted view outside of Lucas worshippers that the prequels are far lower in quality than the original trilogy. The prequels ARE that bad. I have studied them in depth and dissected their faults and I have carefully studied the originals in the cold hard light of the modern day and compared them. The originals do work far better than the prequels. That's not just some "fanboy" delusion.
Personally I've seen the Clone Wars cartoon and found it works far better than the prequels. It's still not proper Star wars (it doesn't have a chance to be, considering the way it's founded on the bogus prequels), but it works a lot better than the prequels. Many people who see a great gap in quality between the prequels and originals also find the animated show more tolerable. We don't automatically hate anything Lucas does. We can actually think intelligently and we're not all deluded or blinded by nostalgia.
You don't see the great gap in quality between the prequels and originals, so you conclude that it's not there and that those who see it must be deluding themselves. I think you owe it to yourself to question that conclusion.
The original films are exceptional. That's why so many people love them. If their exceptionality was only a nostalgia-caused delusion they wouldn't have become the legend they did. The prequels are exceptional only in how faulted they are (most notably AOTC and ROTS, TPM being a bit better). As for the kids of the present day when they're grown up, 20 or 30 years from now there won't be that many people caring about the prequels the way people still care about the originals, because the prequels don't have the conviction of imagination or the emotional depth of the originals.
Lucas didn't simply make new films that were of far lower quality than the originals. If it were just that, people wouldn't be so bothered. Rather, he revised his vision, changing the nature of Anakin and the emotional style of Star Wars, while also rejecting the original Star Wars by replacing the originals with the special edition. He made a dramatic break with the original Star Wars. We are not being deluded in recognizing that break.