The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 26

I'm only for it if Jabba says something different rather than just repeating what Greedo said with such aboom.

It would have to be something really interesting to be worth wrecking the original Falcon reveal too.

But as always that's just by opinion.

How it could be done without building a new puppet is a mystery too, the existing CGI version looked ok in TPM (he didn't do much but he looked and acted like a CGI version of Jabba) the colour and texture were way off in ANH:SE MKII and it was really badly animated.

This is what I would do:

-Keep the line "There'll be no escape for the princess this time".

-Restore the deleted scene where Luke goes to Anchorhead to see his friends.

-Restore the deleted Luke and Biggs sequence with Yoda's theme playing in the background.

-The possibility of adding an alternate soundtrack featuring some of the redubs from recent mixes.

-Maybe put Obi-Wan's Hut Scene to it's original version.

-Possibly keep the original Death Star reveal scene, but keep the planet that orbits it and probably add some TIE Fighters.

-Keep the entire SE Mos Eisley sequence

-Put back the Rontos and probe droid back to the checkpoint scene

-Put back the Jabba Scene with re-coloring to Jabba.

-Add someone (a bounty hunter or a droid) walking pass Boba in the Jabba scene so that way it looks like Boba is looking at something rather than nothing.

-Put back the "He's on your tail!" line but somewhere during the big TIE Fighter reveal/battle sequence.

And I guess that's it.

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

-Restore the deleted scene where Luke goes to Anchorhead to see his friends.

This scene is in pretty awful quality, isn't it?  My suggestion would be to watch TMBTM's War of the Stars lol.

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

-Keep the entire SE Mos Eisley sequence

-Put back the Rontos and probe droid back to the checkpoint scene

-Put back the Jabba Scene with re-coloring to Jabba.

I'm curious what you like about these things?  After the Greedo Shoots First Experience (TM), it seems like these are some of the more hated SE elements.  I certainly feel that way.

Perhaps the "He's on your tail" line could be added to the Jabba scene.

LOL! :D

Anyway, to answer your question TV's Frink, I grew up watching the SE Star Wars Trilogy back in 2002 (I was 11 or 12 at the time) and didn't realise about the theatrical versions. But now I enjoy looking at the SE as well as the theatrical versions. And the added SE elements you mentioned were kinda fine to me and should've stayed in Revisited. The Jabba scene was my favorite.

Well, they shouldn't have stayed in ANH:R because that was Ady's project and he had very clear reasons for not wanting them in there and it was his call (he did the work and he did it with a purpose).

That is not an impediment to anyone doing their own reworking of the SE and keeping those scenes in but it would help make your versions worth the while by thinking of a justification (beyond it existing) for keeping it in and possibly adjusting it to fit better into the film.

Lord__Vader said:

Well in answer to your question I put together a small video, it was done very very roughly and I'm sure someone as skilled as Adywan could make it way better.

 

URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lg8nk5FArU

It's a nice try on few frames, but doing the whole sequence would be another task. Jabba needs to look at Han in the eyes (not always maybe, but sometimes at least), plus his movements needs to match the scene, plus the lips synch, plus in the end of the scene he turns his back to the camera and I don't think we have good footage of that in ROTJ.

All in all I'd say I doubt it could be done that way. Or at least it would not be easy, even for someone like Adywan.

I guess making a new CG Jabba would be even easier! (not that I want that scene back, just answering the question)

Simply put: it's way too much work, and the end results would probably look sloppy and unprofessional. Personally, my preference is to just leave the scene out. Even if on a technical level it could be perfected, as Adywan and others have said the scene slows things down quite a bit, it doesn't really give us any information that wasn't already covered in the Greedo scene, and it spoils the intro of the Millennium Falcon. In addition to that, in retrospect the scene seems a bit out of character for Jabba, probably because Lucas's vision for the character changed over time. In ROTJ and TPM he is depicted as being of very considerable wealth and power to the point where he controls probably the majority of the planet. Someone with that kind of power probably has better things to do than to go and harass one of his former employees in person, considering that he is fat, lazy, and has people who are paid to do it for him (like Greedo). It was a fun scene for the Special Edition since it was one of those legendary things that fans like us always dreamed about (along with Biggs and the original opening), but once the novelty wears off it becomes pretty clear that they are not necessary, and the movie works a lot better without them.

Timstuff said:

Lucas's vision for the character changed over time.

That doesn't sound like Lucas ;-)

BTW, in case anyone is confused by my earlier comments, I wasn't implying that Biggs' presence near the end of ANH is unnecessary. I think that it was a good addition to the film and was glad that Lucas reintroduced it, and I loved how Ady took it a step further by adding in Luke's "Biggs? BIGGS!" line from the audio drama when he dies. I do agree with Lucas's decision to leave out the longer scene from earlier in the movie though. Like the Jabba scene it's an enjoyable bonus, but not necessary for the actual movie.

One thing about Ady's edit that still bugs me is when Obi-Wan ignites his saber during his duel with Vader. For me it wasn't really an improvement over the original since it still looks fake, so maybe there's a better way to go about it. I was thinking that ideally, you could create some transitional frames using a morph from when he's holding the bladeless saber to the bladed one to eliminate the "jump". Also, in the bladeless saber shot it's possible that you could matte him onto the background from the bladed saber shot, since that would help eliminate the perception of there being a jump.

Now that's a good idea ...

I remember a Marvel comic (one of the ones with Valance the Hunter in) where you saw an X-wing fire a torpedo at stormies and it looked like largely like a conventional ballistic missile (please tell me I wasn't dreaming this comic experts).

cap said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Now that's a good idea ...

You look like you’re absolutely shocked that I had a good idea.

It's harder to read someone's thoughts when you can't fully see their mouth.

I'd do the following things:

1. Removing the CGI dewbacks.

2. Restore the Mos Eisley scene to its OUT state.

3. Have several shots of the Alderaan explosion as in the OUT.

4. Restore the OUT approach to Yavin.

5. Restore the OUT Death Star explosion.

3. Have several shots of the Alderaan explosion as in the OUT.

That was what I thought?

Bingowings said:

That was what I thought?

Are you asking us what you thought? ;-)