If Lucas Made an Indiana Jones V or VI would anyone here see them ? — Page 4

TheBoost said:

From what I've seen, I get the image of Speilberg and Ford working hard, and Lucas jumping up and down behind them going 'hey guys, listen to me... listen to me..." and they throw him a bone every now and then.

 Any picture or video of that ? :)

Those south park guys got the modern lucas and spielberg right on target in free hat and the china problem.

I will never pay to see another one of their movies again.  and they should never be allowed to direct again, ever.

Spielberg lost all sense he once had he thinks those bayformers films were great, and that that script that koepp wrote for crystal numbskull was great.

I have read the making of book.  They had 20 years worth of bad scripts for the fourth film, they should have left well enough alone.  Only 2 good indy films raiders and last crusade.  crusade is severely flawed, raiders is damn near perfect.  Doom is a turd, and skull is just worse than temple of doom.

How the hell do you make  film worse than temple of doom, or 1941.  I would like to ask spielberg. As much as i would like to ask lucas how you go about topping howard the duck and the star wars holiday special and episode 1.

skyjedi2005 said:

I will never pay to see another one of their movies again. 

Never say never. I don't say myself I won't go and see their films. I just don't go. The last one was... I don't remember.

And they should never be allowed to direct again, ever.

Fortunately there are no law until now to forbid stupidity. Why fortunately?... Who will judge? Stupid or intellectual persons? All the same. Let them piss in peace.

...koepp...

Could you please use capital for a name. As non English it's always disturbing when reading your posts.

I have read the making of book.

Why do you persist in knowing and documentating about those you point as "traitors"? That's still a hard fan behaviour.

How the hell do you make  film worse than temple of doom, or 1941.  I would like to ask spielberg. As much as i would like to ask lucas how you go about topping howard the duck and the star wars holiday special and episode 1.

 Who asks ? Who are you and what have you done with your life by the way ? Any wrong choice ? Good for you.

... And don't worry, the Lucas / Spielberg empires don't rule the galaxy, neither our destinies.

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skyjedi2005, a Jedi knight doesn't mourn on the past. ;)

Yes abc, tell us.

TV's Frink said:

... I guess I'm just more respectful than you.

 ... That was the other point I thought useless to mention.

XHONZI said:

Yes abc, tell us.

That's a non-name pseudo, do you think it works ?

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Anyway. Any news of a certain Rico ? 

Best Films to come out of LFL limited The Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark neither of which Lucas directed. Empire directed by Kershner, Raiders by Spielberg.

Best Screenplays to come of of Lucasfilm Raiders and Empire written by Lawrence Kasden and not George Lucas.

There was a book that came out that said Lucas gave Marquand a hard time on return on the jedi and was a total a-hole and a backseat director, much like i picture him on crystal skull.

One of the most famous stories is how Lucas took empire away from kersh and recut it as told in once upon a galaxy, and it was a total mess, and hackwork.

If i was a filmaker he is the last person on earth i would want to work with collaboratively.  The word must have gotten around hollywood since none of the non union directors would touch return of the jedi except for Marquand. 

Lynch turned it down probably because he heard the horror stories of what was done to Kershner.  Also no wonder nobody wanted to direct any of the prequels, everyone George asked turned him down.

A good deal of the humanity of his films came from Marcia Lucas.  The best parts of star wars and American Graffiti came from Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz.

You know what is funny is i remember reading an old book and it described Lucas as a cold tecnobrat, technocrat would have suited him better and been scarily prophetic over the 90% cgi films with  a lack of humanity in the characters and so on.

This book was written before Lucas expressed a philosophy of special effects in the documentary from star wars to jedi that made common sense.  But Lucas now is on the other side of what he said back then.

If he stuck with his less is more philosophy, characters before effects, the universe once used simplicity maybe the prequels and indy IV would have not suffered this mentality of the carriage before the horse.

He also should have stuck to the idea of handing the other star wars movies over to other writers and directors.

I have come to believe the greatness of the first star wars came out of true collaboration between many artists and a great deal of adversity.  Had Lucas an unlimited budget and cgi in 1977 what we would have got would be crap like Episode 1.  The film would have bombed and today nobody would Know who George Lucas is besides the success of American Graffiti as small footnote in American culture.

If they do one-there's nothing we can do but hope it turns out well. Skull was awful, and a great pain so sit through. If Sir Sean refused to return to one of his favorite roles..what exactly does that say about your script?? 

I probably won't see Indy V (I'll probably give in knowing me). I'd rather see Ford's new film (Not that it looks bad, but I really have no desire to see it.) or the Holiday Special or better yet some good Ford movies like: Frantic, some series having to do with raiders, temples, and crusades, SW, and of course Blade Runner. Ford does seem happy about a fifth film, so maybe he'll give some more input on some of the dumber ideas......swinging with cgi monkeys....cough...(what is it with Lucasfilm and CGI monkeys??) 

I will admit I'm having fun reading through all the Indy novels that were brought back into print because of Skull, so at least something came out of it!!

skyjedi2005 said:

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 First, thanks for the capitals ;) Far more easy to read.

What you point here is more interesting than what this thread is about. Perhaps a CREDITS thread about Lucas and Spielberg collaborators would match your point of view in an enjoyable (and informative !) way, instead of this silly question "If...?"

And if you meant to turn this into the negative, why not: the Lucas and Spielberg "slaves" thread !

For instance: first credit for giving a visual shape to the OT: Ralph McQuarrie.

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

TheBoost said:

 "Distinct resemblences to the prequals" in the use of CGI and other modern techniques, or resemblence in that you don't like either?

Reduction of emotional depth and feeling of involvement, increase in silliness, reduction of sense of danger, plastic visual style. 

 Yeah, because Temple of Doom is just overflowing with emotional depth and lacks silliness like mine car chases, eating bugs, or musical numbers.

Using Temple of Doom the worst of the old films to defend Crystal Skull does not work.  That was when the indy franchise first jumped the shark, before it nuked the fridge. 

Lots of Bad jokes in Last Crusade too, but that was a very good film anyways and brought us back to the spirit of Raiders.  Sean Connery also lifted that film out of the mundane by his great performance. 

The best parts of doom are the leftovers from the raiders script  the shanghai sequence and the mine cart sequence both conceived by Kasdan.  The rest is plain garbage.  I love a a couple of films the Huycks worked on temple is not one of them, neither is howard the duck or radioland murders.

As for defending Crystal Skull i have defended its better parts.  But there are still a lot of bad parts to outweigh the good. If you look at what worked and what did not with these and the star wars prequels.  Remove those bad elements or rework them to make them better you have much better movies.

As a kid there were only 2 indiana jones movies and i thought doom was better which do you think as an adult i find better.  Raiders of course.  I thought raiders was boring as a kid as i did empire strikes back and loved return of the jedi.  Last Crusade came out when i was almost a teenager 11 at the time. Saw it twice in theaters. Best movie  of 1989 by far.  Way better than shitty ghostbusters II, Burtons batman, or star trek V.

If Harrison and Steven can ground Lucas sillyness then they could make part V take a lot of the bitter taste leftover from IV.  Maybe this time they will make a film like raiders or crusade instead of something that makes temple of crap look like a masterpiece.

My answer bring back Lawrence Kasdan to write the screenplay if it sucks hire someone else, but it can't hurt to try since the best indy film was written by him. Second best written by Jeffrey Boam who i believe has passed away, sadly. Next choice would have been Frank Darabount, but his script for crystal skull sucked badly.  I can't believe Koepp could write a better script, but in this instance his was better.

Too late to make the Spear of Destiny movie.  That should have been the follow up to last crusade.  The comic was better than INDY IV. Featured a real historical artifact not Aliens, and Nazis instead of Russians. They should have made this in the 90's. That or make the Atlantis or Excalibur movie.  But Aliens worst idea ever seriously.

Maybe Indy follows the Star Trek curse, except reversed.  Where the even numbered movies are not on Par with the odd ones.  Crystal Skull could be Indy's "Final Frontier" and maybe we're due an "Undiscovered Country" next...

By the by... I have solved the riddle of the Star Trek curse!  Every time Nicholas Meyer was writer and/or director... it was good!  Every time he wasn't... they sucked.  So... maybe have Meyer write/direct Indy 5?