only one? I thought there were three?
skyjedi2005 said:
More crazy than flying through the air in a nuked fridge, monkeys helping attack russians, or mayan temples transforming into alien saucer ships?
Or falling out of an airplane in a life raft and landing on the ground safely and go over a giant cliff, or a mine car as a roller coaster that jumps broken sections of track, or a monkey that speaks English, or a boat that doesn't sink while it's being torn to pieces by a giant screw, or a gargantuan bolder that rolls along tree roots, or an airplane that drives through a tunnel after after having it's wings torn off in flight, or riding the outside of a submarine for miles?
Belgium!
Warbler said:
I do not need to see the Indiana Jones Trilogy raped again.
Hah hah, I agree my friend, and I also loved that South Park episode as well.
Anchorhead said:
Or falling out of an airplane in a life raft and landing on the ground safely and go over a giant cliff, or a mine car as a roller coaster that jumps broken sections of track, or a monkey that speaks English, or a boat that doesn't sink while it's being torn to pieces by a giant screw, or a gargantuan bolder that rolls along tree roots, or an airplane that drives through a tunnel after after having it's wings torn off in flight, or riding the outside of a submarine for miles?
Point!
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
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Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
More crazy than flying through the air in a nuked fridge, monkeys helping attack russians, or mayan temples transforming into alien saucer ships?
Or falling out of an airplane in a life raft and landing on the ground safely and go over a giant cliff, or a mine car as a roller coaster that jumps broken sections of track, or a monkey that speaks English, or a boat that doesn't sink while it's being torn to pieces by a giant screw, or a gargantuan bolder that rolls along tree roots, or an airplane that drives through a tunnel after after having it's wings torn off in flight, or riding the outside of a submarine for miles?
None of those things was done with bad pointless and annoying cgi and worked in the context of the indiana jones universe, unlike aliens and a nuked fridge. Also they were done long before lucas lost it and made the special editions of star wars and the prequels.
Crystal Skull was made by the star wars prequels, cgi loving, jar jar loving, lucas.
Plus they were based on the great movie serials of yesteryear and not bad 50's b movies made during the red scare.
Also were not made to insert Lucas and Spielberg new brand of liberal politics like lucas also did with episode 1, 2 and 3. For that the movies deserved to make ten cents.
Spielberg pretty much promised to be a check and balance on lucas and promised to do the movie like the last 3 then did not keep his word. Based on that false advertisement alone he owes me 10.50 and 2 hours of my life i wasted back.
Based on how awful War of the Worlds was i should have listened to my own better judgement and stayed home. Instead i contributed to an 800 million dollar turd.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
More crazy than flying through the air in a nuked fridge, monkeys helping attack russians, or mayan temples transforming into alien saucer ships?
Or falling out of an airplane in a life raft and landing on the ground safely and go over a giant cliff, or a mine car as a roller coaster that jumps broken sections of track, or a monkey that speaks English, or a boat that doesn't sink while it's being torn to pieces by a giant screw, or a gargantuan bolder that rolls along tree roots, or an airplane that drives through a tunnel after after having it's wings torn off in flight, or riding the outside of a submarine for miles?
Actually you could see land in that scene. They could have easily been nearing the port.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
More crazy than flying through the air in a nuked fridge, monkeys helping attack russians, or mayan temples transforming into alien saucer ships?
Or falling out of an airplane in a life raft and landing on the ground safely and go over a giant cliff, or a mine car as a roller coaster that jumps broken sections of track, or a monkey that speaks English, or a boat that doesn't sink while it's being torn to pieces by a giant screw, or a gargantuan bolder that rolls along tree roots, or an airplane that drives through a tunnel after after having it's wings torn off in flight, or riding the outside of a submarine for miles?
The stuff in the old films worked. I didn't have a big problem with the monkeys or the temple turning into a flying saucer, but the nuking the fridge was going to far. Also the multiple water fall rollercoaster thing was too much like they were at a theme park. Things just didn't work as well in Indy 4. One problem was that the sense of threat and danger was gone or reduced, but that wasn't the only problem.
skyjedi2005 said:
None of those things was done with bad pointless and annoying cgi and worked in the context of the indiana jones universe
Correct, they were done with bad pointless and annoying models and fake-looking matte paintings that stand out from the live action. Had the technology been available in the 80s, they would have been done with CGI.
Look, man - your Kingdom hate is well documented here - well documented - I get it - really...I do. You manage to work it into half your posts, regardless of subject matter. However, if you're going to claim that the first three films are somehow void of silly & over-the-top pulp, you're not being honest. The series has been comic book pulp since its inception.
Monkeys jumping on soldiers driving a car are no more unrealistic than a monkey who says "uh oh" and then salutes a Nazi - and the raft falling out of an airplane, onto a mountain, then over a cliff, and then landing safely in a river is every bit as preposterous as a fridge being blown through the air.
You don't like your treasured memories to be sullied with 2008ness? - then just say so. However, claiming that one of the three sequels is more over-the-top than the others is denial. They were all four done by the same people - they know their character and the world he exists in - they invented it, as well as shaped it.
Also they were done long before lucas lost it and made the special editions of star wars and the prequels.
Misplaced Prequel & SE hate - completely unrelated to the Indiana Jones franchise.
Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
None of those things was done with bad pointless and annoying cgi and worked in the context of the indiana jones universe
Correct, they were done with bad pointless and annoying models and fake-looking matte paintings that stand out from the live action. Had the technology been available in the 80s, they would have been done with CGI.
Look, man - your Kingdom hate is well documented here - well documented - I get it - really...I do. You manage to work it into half your posts, regardless of subject matter. However, if you're going to claim that the first three films are somehow void of silly & over-the-top pulp, you're not being honest. The series has been comic book pulp since its inception.
Monkeys jumping on soldiers driving a car are no more unrealistic than a monkey who says "uh oh" and then salutes a Nazi - and the raft falling out of an airplane, onto a mountain, then over a cliff, and then landing safely in a river is every bit as preposterous as a fridge being blown through the air.
You don't like your treasured memories to be sullied with 2008ness? - then just say so. However, claiming that one of the three sequels is more over-the-top than the others is denial. They were all four done by the same people - they know their character and the world he exists in - they invented it, as well as shaped it.
and the raft falling out of an airplane, onto a mountain, then over a cliff, and then landing safely in a river is every bit as preposterous as a fridge being blown through the air.
The fridge wasn't merely blown through the air. A guy survived a nuking by hiding in it. Yes that's different from what went before. And me and skyjedi aren't the only ones who think so, hence the expression "nuke the fridge".
However, claiming that one of the three sequels is more over-the-top than the others is denial.
The difference is that everything the 4th film was less convincing then what came before, as a result of the whole tone and mentality of the film. Not to mention pulling things like the fridge incident.
They were all four done by the same people -
I disagree. The person you are in the late eighties or earlier can be a different person from who you are two decades later. And a lot of people feel Lucas changed.
Anchorhead said:
Also they were done long before lucas lost it and made the special editions of star wars and the prequels.
Misplaced Prequel & SE hate - completely unrelated to the Indiana Jones franchise.
Untrue. The coming of the prequels and SEs marked a change a lot of people figure happened in Lucas. So it is significant that Indy 4 came after all that stuff. There was a distinctly prequelesque mentality in Indy 4.
Someone would but it would have to be superficially recognisable to make a lot of money out the brand (if that's something that's important...it isn't to me).
Hannibal Rising wasn't very good but the book sold well and the film turned a small profit, it probably would have made more money if Anthony Hopkins was there and a bit more if Jodie Foster was there (God knows how) because Silence Of The Lambs is the defining film associated with the series even though Manhunter came first.
The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles (for me) next to Raiders is a far better utilisation of the character than any of the other films but Harrison Ford is barely in it (not in the DVD sets at all), John Williams music isn't featured and it generally has a very different feel to the stories than the film series.
I'm not sure if it's the same elsewhere but hardly anyone in the UK, that I know of, is even aware that the series exists but KOTCS still did good box office despite being utter bollocks.
Personally I'd have to read a tonne of good reviews and receive recommendations from people who's opinion I generally trust before I'd see another Indy or Star Wars film in the cinema.
Otherwise I'd wait for the DVD to come out and be around long enough to purchase cheap...in fact I might make a point of getting it second hand if the word was that it was anywhere near as bad as KOTCS.
I still haven't got that on DVD because it's just not cheap enough to warrant buying for completion sake (and this is someone who has a charity shop bought copy of AVP).
Harrison is just jonesin for another big paycheck, and in denial with how horrible the film really was. When he is the one who in the 90's dragged his feet over the alien story because as he rightly said aliens don't belong in indiana jones.
More Screen time for Shia Lebouf, no thanks i think i'll pass. Unless someone give me a ticket to a free screening so i can look for the bad new scenes that top nuking the fridge.
Crystal Skull was good for one thing though without it we never would have gotten the term nuked the fridge. It brought a great new term for fans to replace jumping the shark aka fonzi's dumb stunt on happy days. I have forgiven the producer of the show though because he never created anything like Jar Jar Binks, not even Mork From ork.
George and Steven thought they were being reel clever inserting a duck and cover like joke into the film. They made the film into a self parody of the other 3 films. It had more in common with a brendan frasier mummy movie, x-files or national treasure than it did indiana jones.
No religious artifacts, no occult, no archeology because that has nothing to do with aliens but the study of human cultures and history. The old bad idea that aliens built the pyramids was torn to pieces by science a long time ago. Basing a movie on the very bad novel chariots of the gods has to be the stupidest idea next to george getting his ideas from l ron hubbard and scientology.
George for years has been removing any sense of spirituality from his films as well as trying to get rid of the guns. That is why greedo shot first to make a point against the republicans and the nra. Poltical correctness. Also why he added midi chlorians to episode 1 instead of keeping the force quasi religious. That is why he went with aliens instead of another artifact like exacalibur, or the lance of longinus.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Bingowings said:
Someone would but it would have to be superficially recognisable to make a lot of money out the brand (if that's something that's important...it isn't to me).
Hannibal Rising wasn't very good but the book sold well and the film turned a small profit, it probably would have made more money if Anthony Hopkins was there and a bit more if Jodie Foster was there (God knows how) because Silence Of The Lambs is the defining film associated with the series even though Manhunter came first.
The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles (for me) next to Raiders is a far better utilisation of the character than any of the other films but Harrison Ford is barely in it (not in the DVD sets at all), John Williams music isn't featured and it generally has a very different feel to the stories than the film series.
I'm not sure if it's the same elsewhere but hardly anyone in the UK, that I know of, is even aware that the series exists but KOTCS still did good box office despite being utter bollocks.
Personally I'd have to read a tonne of good reviews and receive recommendations from people who's opinion I generally trust before I'd see another Indy or Star Wars film in the cinema.
Otherwise I'd wait for the DVD to come out and be around long enough to purchase cheap...in fact I might make a point of getting it second hand if the word was that it was anywhere near as bad as KOTCS.
I still haven't got that on DVD because it's just not cheap enough to warrant buying for completion sake (and this is someone who has a charity shop bought copy of AVP).
The Young Indy tv series was an abomination that spat on Indy rather like how the prequels spat on Star Wars. Their version of the character was like the Hayden version of Anakin. Indy was ruined by that tv series long before Indy 4.
I think this conclusively proves we are not the same person.
You mean you're not my sock? I thought you were.
Knowing Spielberg i was surprised Indiana Jones was not armed with a walkie talkie instead of a gun.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Vaderisnothayden said:
You mean you're not my sock? I thought you were.
Bingowingsisnotvaderisnothaydenssock :D
lolz
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
skyjedi2005 said:
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No religious artifacts, no occult, no archeology because that has nothing to do with aliens but the study of human cultures and history. The old bad idea that aliens built the pyramids was torn to pieces by science a long time ago. Basing a movie on the very bad novel chariots of the gods has to be the stupidest idea next to george getting his ideas from l ron hubbard and scientology.
George for years has been removing any sense of spirituality from his films as well as trying to get rid of the guns. That is why greedo shot first to make a point against the republicans and the nra. Poltical correctness. Also why he added midi chlorians to episode 1 instead of keeping the force quasi religious. That is why he went with aliens instead of another artifact like exacalibur, or the lance of longinus.
As always, long post to read. But nice one... The part I quote looks so true.
Edit: ... And what an idea to go and watch KotCS ! I didn't.
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Bingowingsisnotvaderisnothaydenssock said:
Bingowingsisnotvaderisnothaydenssock :D
Oh man, now I've got to remember to use that every time I quote you Bingo :-)
I think I'll shorten it to BWINVIHS.
TV's Frink said:
Bingowingsisnotvaderisnothaydenssock said:
Bingowingsisnotvaderisnothaydenssock :D
Oh man, now I've got to remember to use that every time I quote you Bingo :-)
... As me to use that every time I read you, Frink !
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skyjedi2005 said:
greedo shot first to make a point against the republicans and the nra.
Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
greedo shot first to make a point against the republicans and the nra.
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Hilarous !... I love the "Comedy Central" on the right :P
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Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
greedo shot first to make a point against the republicans and the nra.
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Heh heh. I usually skim over the skyjedi2005 Repeated Wall of Text (TM) so I happened to miss that little nugget. Thanks :-)