Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
None of those things was done with bad pointless and annoying cgi and worked in the context of the indiana jones universe
Correct, they were done with bad pointless and annoying models and fake-looking matte paintings that stand out from the live action. Had the technology been available in the 80s, they would have been done with CGI.
Look, man - your Kingdom hate is well documented here - well documented - I get it - really...I do. You manage to work it into half your posts, regardless of subject matter. However, if you're going to claim that the first three films are somehow void of silly & over-the-top pulp, you're not being honest. The series has been comic book pulp since its inception.
Monkeys jumping on soldiers driving a car are no more unrealistic than a monkey who says "uh oh" and then salutes a Nazi - and the raft falling out of an airplane, onto a mountain, then over a cliff, and then landing safely in a river is every bit as preposterous as a fridge being blown through the air.
You don't like your treasured memories to be sullied with 2008ness? - then just say so. However, claiming that one of the three sequels is more over-the-top than the others is denial. They were all four done by the same people - they know their character and the world he exists in - they invented it, as well as shaped it.
and the raft falling out of an airplane, onto a mountain, then over a cliff, and then landing safely in a river is every bit as preposterous as a fridge being blown through the air.
The fridge wasn't merely blown through the air. A guy survived a nuking by hiding in it. Yes that's different from what went before. And me and skyjedi aren't the only ones who think so, hence the expression "nuke the fridge".
However, claiming that one of the three sequels is more over-the-top than the others is denial.
The difference is that everything the 4th film was less convincing then what came before, as a result of the whole tone and mentality of the film. Not to mention pulling things like the fridge incident.
They were all four done by the same people -
I disagree. The person you are in the late eighties or earlier can be a different person from who you are two decades later. And a lot of people feel Lucas changed.