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Warbler said:

The people I feel sorry for are those that work with Conan behind the scenes.  Some of these aren't  people who are making millions of $$,   They relocated across the country from coast to coast.  Some probably sold their houses on the east coast and bought news ones on the  West coast.   Some of them probably had to take their kids out of school.  There lives were uprooted and and for what?  Just to be fired several months later.  That just doesn't seem right.

 

Yeah, I feel sorry for them too. However, they had to be aware of the risks involved. Surely, someone sat around and said, "What if Conan doesn't make it?" I have to think that perhaps it is a risk they all considered and made on their own free will. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.

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yeah,  but do you really think they sat around and asked "what if Jay doesn't make it at 10 and NBC wants to give him the Tonight Show back?" ?    It was a risk, but do could you expect them to think that they'd only the several months they got?

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Warbler said:

yeah,  but do you really think they sat around and asked "what if Jay doesn't make it at 10 and NBC wants to give him the Tonight Show back?" ?    It was a risk, but do could you expect them to think that they'd only the several months they got?

Perhaps not, but even still, that is a gamble they must make when they work for network television.

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yeah, but you can still feel sorry for them.   People in Florida know the risks of hurricanes, and people in California know the risks of earthquakes.   Does this mean that when hurricanes and earthquakes happen in these areas that we do not feel sorrow for the people who've been killed, injured,  lost their homes, etc? 

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I'll side with Conan just because everything I've seen of him I thought was funny and everything I've seen of Leno I thought wasn't. Loved his recent interview with Ricky Gervais.

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Warbler said:

yeah, but you can still feel sorry for them. 

I do, reference one of my previous posts. In reply to your post, I stated:

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Yeah, I feel sorry for them too.

I am sincere in that. I don't lack empathy, I was just explaining that they had to be fully aware they were taking a risk that eventually didn't pay out.

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I have to say, I'm getting a little worn out on Conan's grandstanding & complaining. It's back to my earlier statement & long-time feeling that Conan is just too narcissistic.

I might be a little more sympathetic to his childish complaining were he just a victim of NBC's poor planning, but he doesn't have the ratings to back all of this up. He had his own devoted fans for 16 years (or were they?), but they didn't follow him to 11:30 - blame them, not Leno. Leno's show did poorly in prime time, but it was the only real gamble.

Conan, on the other hand, stepped into a 56-year-old proven time slot - on a 56-year-old late night dynasty - THE standard for all who followed & copied. A show that until the day he took over was #1 in the ratings. When he took over, the ratings sunk to the lowest in the show's history.

Conan - shut it.

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Anchorhead said:

I have to say, I'm getting a little worn out on Conan's grandstanding & complaining. It's back to my earlier statement & long-time feeling that Conan is just too narcissistic.

I might be a little more sympathetic to his childish complaining were he just a victim of NBC's poor planning, but he doesn't have the ratings to back all of this up. He had his own devoted fans for 16 years (or were they?), but they didn't follow him to 11:30 - blame them, not Leno. Leno's show did poorly in prime time, but it was the only real gamble.

Conan, on the other hand, stepped into a 56-year-old proven time slot - on a 56-year-old late night dynasty - THE standard for all who followed & copied. A show that until the day he took over was #1 in the ratings. When he took over, the ratings sunk to the lowest in the show's history.

Conan - shut it.

What I don't get is that everyone is pretending that Conan was the victim when, in fact, it was all his scheme! He was the one that demanded TTS in 2009 with his 2004 contract. He, along with the all too willing folks at NBC, pushed out Leno. Now he and his fans are making out like Leno is the bad guy, and the worst part is that people are buying into it!

If Conan had truly in respectful, he would have waited until Jay was ready to retire and them graciously took the helm, not force him out.

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Were Conan's rating really bad enough that NBC would have gotten rid of him by now if it weren't for what happened with Leno's show at 10?

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Warbler said:

Were Conan's rating really bad enough that NBC would have gotten rid of him by now if it weren't for what happened with Leno's show at 10?

I don't think his numbers were that bad, I think they would have stayed with him longer and given him the necessary time to build an audience. However, the big wrench in the whole deal was Leno's prime time slot, his numbers were far below what the affiliates needed to lead in their newscasts. The affiliates started shouting at NBC Corporate and they had to listen. The only fix they could muster was trying to put things back the way they were.

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tonight was my only viewing of TTS with Conan O'Brien. I only saw the Tom Hanks interview (good) parts of the Neil Young song (what a no-talent hack) and the end. Conan seemed sincerely upbeat and thankful, but Will Ferrell's "Free Bird" was a sour note. Ferrell used to be funny.

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vote_for_palpatine said:

 Ferrell used to be funny.

Really? I must have missed that part of his career.

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I have no idea why NBC had to axe Conan. Why can't they get rid of these horrible shows like Lost and Heroes, instead of axing shows people actually watch.

Speaking of axing talk shows, I see a certain talk show on TBS dying. Boy, George Lopez was ok before he monopolized the commercial industry with his "Late Night, Late NIGHT, Lopez TONIGHT, LOPEZ TONIGHT"

I think Conan will either find a new station to get a talk show, or he will go back to what he was the best at, writing television.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Out of all the worthless BS shows out there, the best you could come up with in the category of "Those That Need to be Axed" was Lost and Heroes? With all these ridiculous reality TV shows out there, surely you could have come up with some more worthy examples? Plenty of people watch Lost, I think it is awesome, though I have a feeling it is going to crash and burn in this last season, and Heroes has been crap since season two (not that season one was anything that great either) but it still generates plenty of viewers. These shows are meant to be fun and entertaining, not change the world.

 

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To tell you the truth I am happiest when the TV is off. If it wasn't for the news, I wouldn't have a TV

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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C3PX said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

 Ferrell used to be funny.

Really? I must have missed that part of his career.

since when did he form that rock group?

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EyeShotFirst said:

To tell you the truth I am happiest when the TV is off. If it wasn't for the news, I wouldn't have a TV

I used to not even own a TV. I do now, but I have no cable/antena hooked up to it. The only thing I use the TV for is my Xbox (which I rarely use) and watching movies (which I rarely do), so mostly it just sits against the wall looking pretty. Lost is the only current TV show I am interested in, I just watch it online the day after it airs, and it finishes up this year, at which point I will be 100% TV watching free again.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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you rarely watch movies and yet you are on Star Wars forum?    What about Fox News?  That seems like something you'd enjoy.

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Oh Warbler, there you go assume-ing again. Let me guess, been drinking like the last time you made such an asinine comment? You might want to lay off the booze, pal.

I don't watch Fox News, or any of the other bullshit news stations. I actually really dislike Fox News. But oh, I am one of dem der conservatives, so I must masturbate regularly to the Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck show, right? Ass of you and me man, ass of you and me. But mostly you.

And I didn't say I don't watch movies, I just said I rarely watch them, and that I don't watch TV. Is there a prerequisit of watching Star Wars at least once a day to be on these forums or something? Because if so, I have been in the wrong place for all these years.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I don't think its that bad of an assumption to make that a Conservative might like Fox News and the likes of Glen Beck and O'reilly.   Remember I did use the word "seems" ,  I left doubt.   But if you don't like Fox News, that's ok.   I'm curious, where do you get your news from?

and no, there is no prerequisite to watching Star Wars once a day.   It just seems a little strange that a big Star Wars fan would rarely watch movies.

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I rarely watch movies myself these days. I've seen so many at this point that it would be difficult to be overly impressed by one, and I feel like I have better ways of wasting my time. I just have the feeling that "I've seen it all before", even if I haven't.

C3PX, what do you have against FOX News? I mean, I don't love it but it's not horrible.

Sean Hannity, though. Jeez, what a tool. I agree with him more often than not and I can't tolerate two seconds of him.

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I just thought we had had enough political discussions together that you'd see that I don't really align with them all that much.

Since I don't watch Fox News, I don't really know much about what is on it. What I do know is that many of the people I know who watch it (but not all) constantly harp on about things that hardly matter, like abortion (what is it to me if someone wishes to kill their unborn child?), kicking God out of schools (poor God), removing God from the pledge of allegance (I don't think much of the whole idea of the pledge to begin with), immigrants taking their jobs (day took er jabs!), and the immense need to blow anything that wears a turban to hell and beyond (that kind of hatred doesn't do anyone any good. When it comes to our nation going to war, it ought to be done with great sorrow, not full out hatred).

Sure, there are a lot of things I agree with those types on, but I probably disagree with them just about as often. Interestingly enough, in the real world, when I find myself in political discussions, I am usually on the left side of the discussion as opposed to the right, so it is kind of funny that I am consistently on the right side of the discussions when it comes to this forum. It is all relative to who you are with, in the real world my friends see me as a flaming liberal, and here everyone sees me as a stanch conservative.

At any rate, long story short, Fox News and the whole "neocon" thing is way too far to the right (or whatever direction they actually are) for me.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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If you don't want to answer that's cool, C3PX, but where do you live? If I were to believe the stereotypes, it seems like you live in the heart of the Bible Belt, surrounded by trailer parks, Wal-Marts, and Southern Baptist mega-churches based on what you just said.

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vote_for_palpatine said:

C3PX, what do you have against FOX News? I mean, I don't love it but it's not horrible.

Sean Hannity, though. Jeez, what a tool. I agree with him more often than not and I can't tolerate two seconds of him.

Maybe it is not as bad as I am making it out to be, I don't know because I don't watch it. My image of Fox News is O'Reiley, Beck, and Hannity, and since I can't stand those guys, I tend to write the whole thing off.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Fox News as a whole is any worse than MSNBC or those other news stations, I'd just rather not screw around with any of them, they are all the same to me.

I forgot to answer Warbler as to where I get my news: Anywhere I can. Anytime something big comes up and I want to know about it, I'll look at several different written sources to try to piece together the situation. Just like kids fighting on the play ground, each side has its own spin to the whole thing, it is better hear out both sides of the story rather than just hearing one kid's side and punishing the other kid. You'll never get an accurate picture from just one side.

 

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If you don't want to answer that's cool, C3PX, but where do you live? If I were to believe the stereotypes, it seems like you live in the heart of the Bible Belt, surrounded by trailer parks, Wal-Marts, and Southern Baptist mega-churches based on what you just said.

Unfortunately for me, you are not too far from the truth. I am currently living in the mid-west (don't care for it much). Though where I am, I see a lot more ghetto slums and nearly empty ornate old church buildings than I do trailer parks and mega-churches.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape