TheBoost said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
TheBoost said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
I think that's about it. Emotional attachment is an evil, you know. We got that message loud and clear in ROTS, when Annie went evil and killed kids all because he was in love with Padme and thus wanted to save her. Attachment leads to the dark side. Love is evil and makes you kill kiddies.
So you'd prefer nice Protestant Jedi (Methodists?) who are allowed to marry rather than Jedi resembling the East Asian monks that they are so clearly inspired by?
And it is worth noting Yoda never gives a word of 'no attachment' advice to anyone who is not weilding a superhuman power that has an active and malignant Dark Side.
Yeah but Yoda's advice sounds like it's meant to apply generally not just for force wielders. And a lot of people will go to that film and go "Wow, Yoda is wise. I have to follow his advice," and try to apply that stuff in their lives.
And I'm not in favor of any group we're supposed to look up to being portrayed as being against love or sex or relationships or whatever. And despite them being shown to have some faults, there is a lot pushing the audience to look up to the jedi. That's pushing an anti-relationship/anti-love attitude as a good thing, as does the plot of ROTS. Love and sex and relationships are a natural part of life and it's unnatural to ban them. Pretty funny for a bunch like the jedi who are supposed to be in touch with life.
Yoda's advice was 'learn to let go of people who are going to die.' Franky, I think that's fairly decent advice.
I happen to know a couple Buddhist monks. They abstain from lots that I enjoy, including meat, sex, marriage, and TV. They are wise men and amazing athletes (and kick my ass at basketball). Their compassion is almost overwhelming, and yet I've never walked away froma meeting with them thinking "These guys hate life and love!" In fact, I'd say they're some of the most in touch with life people I know.
And I certainly hope no one left a sci-fi movie thinking "man, the CG muppet told me to avoid attachment... I need to divorce my wife!"
I dont think Jedi are anti-love at all. I think Obi loves Anakin deeply. Luke plainly loves Han and Leia. But Obi's attachment to Anakin isn't so strong he can't slice him up when he goes all Vadery, and Luke learns that his love of his sister can't be a need so strong he's willing to go to the Dark Side for it.
Well I'm not discussing Buddhist monks. I'm discussing jedi, prequelized jedi. And these jedi seem to be against a lot that's healthy and natural, even against kids seeing their parents. Yoda seems to be against not only relationships but love as well.
As for prequel Obi, I don't think he feels anything deeply, let along loving Anakin deeply. He was portrayed without feeling, fitting the prequel movies that lacked feeling, fitting the anti-feeling message of those movies with their anti-feeling jedi.
And I certainly hope no one left a sci-fi movie thinking "man, the CG muppet told me to avoid attachment... I need to divorce my wife
I'm sure someone did. This is real life. People can be awful stupid. And kids can be impressionable.
Yoda's advice was 'learn to let go of people who are going to die.' Franky, I think that's fairly decent advice.
There was more to Yoda's advice than that. He basically told him not to give a damn about people dying, not to mourn or miss them. Pretty cold stuff. And no I don't think saying you should let go of people who are about to die is good advice. I think it's cold. Let go of them after they die? Ok. But before they die? That's cold. He also told him attachment to people is bad. So basically you shouldn't care about people and you shouldn't give a fuck if they die. And while the word love isn't mentioned it's pretty clear Yoda is saying love is bad with all his bull about attachment and not mourning or missing people. Yoda is encouraging people to be cold fish and the film is teaching that message to little kids. Complete with Anakin's example to show how love is bad.