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Star Wars Episode II: The Galaxy Divided (The Brash Cut) - CANCELLED — Page 6

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Ok. One more post just to clarify something.

On the left is my original project, exported with 'anamorphic 16:9' UNCHECKED and then reimported into my new project.

On the right is the new project, with 'anamorphic 16:9' CHECKED.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/welsh_anarchy/comparison.png?t=1263322625

Excuse me if I'm being duller than an in-flight magazine produced by Air Belgium, but is the resulting video from my original project already correct without me having checked 'anamorphic 16:9'?

What are the consequences of me just using this file rather than going through the entire editing process again?

The grey bars sandwiching it would suggest that Final Cut has recognised it as an anamorphic 16:9 file, even though this option was unchecked on export.

This is so freaking confusing!

 

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Yeah. As long as anamorphic 16:9 is checked in the sequence settings and it looks right it should be okay.

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But it wasn't. That's what I'm saying........I exported it with it unchecked, and reimported it, and it looks fine. That's what I'm confused about.

*edit* just to clarify, I've only viewed said clip in the left viewer by double clicking on the imported file.

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brash_stryker said:

But it wasn't. That's what I'm saying........I exported it with it unchecked, and reimported it, and it looks fine. That's what I'm confused about.

*edit* just to clarify, I've only viewed said clip in the left viewer by double clicking on the imported file.

well It doesn't matter if the clip is exported as anamorphic or not, as long as it shows up right it should be fine. It's the sequence that has to be anamorphic in sequence settings (actually even that doesn't really matter because you can make it anamorphic in dvdsp when you are making the DVD)

 

I may have discovered your problem: make sure the new clip has the same flag as the DVCPRO clip. I.E. if that was anamorphic make this anamorphic, if it wasn't it shouldn't be.

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I know this is going to sound stupid, but how do I check the flag? I'm new to final cut and really don't have a clue. I did a quick google search but found nothing.

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Well rather than risk confusion when it comes to after effects, I've started reediting from scratch using prores422 (HQ). It's easy enough, just time consuming replicating all my cuts again. Thankfully I can simply copy and paste the audio in places.

Fingers crossed I don't suffer a fourth setback. I'm sure the fanediting hobby is cursed! lol

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brash_stryker said:


I know this is going to sound stupid, but how do I check the flag? I'm new to final cut and really don't have a clue. I did a quick google search but found nothing.

It's not stupid. FCP doesn't use the term flag. You just go into sequence settings and check that 16:9 is checked.

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Ah I'd already done that. When checked, the video got ridiculously squashed in the preview window. When unchecked it was the right size, but had the regular black border instead of the light grey indicating anamorphic.

 

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brash_stryker said:

Ah I'd already done that. When checked, the video got ridiculously squashed in the preview window. When unchecked it was the right size, but had the regular black border instead of the light grey indicating anamorphic.

 

all right. At least the new project seems to look right :)

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I've had noone telling me not to, under any circumstances, use prores422 (HQ) so I assume it's ok, though I'd really like the best one for my purposes.

Having said that, I'm toying with the idea of, using filters to give the film a colour depth/grain more like what you'd see if they were made in the 70s like the originals. Anyone got any ideas how this might be accomplished?

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brash_stryker said:

I've had noone telling me not to, under any circumstances, use prores422 (HQ) so I assume it's ok, though I'd really like the best one for my purposes.

Having said that, I'm toying with the idea of, using filters to give the film a colour depth/grain more like what you'd see if they were made in the 70s like the originals. Anyone got any ideas how this might be accomplished?

There is a grain filter in FCP but you could probably find a much better one somewhere on the internet, problem is, it might cost you

 

This might help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KelM0emjEKM

 

Here's what I was able to get using similar techniques

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Thanks rcb! Care to elaborate? I'm open to criticism and even more open to compliments :)

It would be a lot easier doing a lot of the things i want to do if we had an isolated voice track available. As it is at the moment, cutting the dialogue messes with the music as they are usually together on the center audio channel.

That, along with my desire to add real model shots to replace much of the cgi (and having none of the expertise or resources to do so) are my main obstacles.

As well as the wooden acting and generally poor story :)

Two more clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJ0Dlx1hJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTTG4Bbjf0

 I like the Obi-Wan/Dooku thing, but there's still Obi-Wan's unexplained hostility. Dooku just told him they would destroy the Sith, yet Obi-Wan goes all "I'll never join you!" as if he had just been told Dooku planned to gain world domination with a laser on the moon and extort the UN for one million dollars. It always sat wrong with me.

I'm not sure about Jar Jar, I kinda like the way Palpatine manipulates him into giving him emergency powers. To great contrast with the terrible "manipulation 101" of ROTS. In fact it's subtle enough I didn't even notice what was actually going on until like the 4th or 5th viewing.

Besides, doesn't the plot kinda break down if the army is already created? Padme has no reason to go to coruscant as the vote has already been passed and then there's no first quarter of the film.

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I like the Obi-Wan/Dooku thing, but there's still Obi-Wan's unexplained hostility. Dooku just told him they would destroy the Sith, yet Obi-Wan goes all "I'll never join you!" as if he had just been told Dooku planned to gain world domination with a laser on the moon and extort the UN for one million dollars. It always sat wrong with me.

lol at that last bit.

Obi thinks Dooku is lying.  Which, of course, he is (in the original version, anyway).

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Thinking he's lying is reasonable, but the hostility comes out of nowhere. His disbelief is adequately covered with the whole "I don't believe that" thing.

I suppose he could be hostile because he's being held captive like that, but then his anger would be much less directed, which it is. Portrayed by his cool and arrogant "air". The "I'll never join you" is too directed at the notion that dooku is inherintly evil. It's like he already knows dooku is a sith. And since we don't have mcgregor on hand to record new lines I suggest the only reasonable way of dealing with it is to get rid of the whole "join me" thing. But it might make the convo seem pointless and even more broken up.

That's the problem with the prequels really. They're too messed up at a too deep level.

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Bear in mind, he has just tracked the Bounty Hunter there, so is under the impression that Dooku is behind Amidala's attempted assassination.

Even though, in my edit, he's not.

Although, I agree. The hostility at the level it is currently does seem a bit unjustified. It's as if Obi doesn't even take in what Dooku has just told him. He should at least question whether he's being told the truth or not. I don't know how this can be fixed though. This was a flaw in the original cut as well as mine.

I will have a go at shifting around the "I don't believe you" to replace the more hostile "I will never join you, Dooku" but I don't know if this can be pulled off effectively. I'd need another cutaway to replace it where it is originally. We'll see.

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It's been a while since I've posted any updates on this project. Rest assured it's not dead, just on a temporary hiatus due to being busy and also daunted by having to replicate my cuts all over again. I reached the long ass arena scene and decided to have a break from both the project and this forum, which ended up lasting a little longer than I'd planned.

Now after a heavy Easter weekend, where I drank so much i knocked myself out on the pavement (sidewalk to my American chums), coupled with seeing RedLetterMedia's insightful Clones review on youtube, I've decided I've indulged my carnal desires long enough and am going to jump back into the editing. Hopefully churning stuff out at a similar rate to before.

As always, discussion and suggestions are key to me creating something we'll all enjoy.

It's good to be back!

-Brash

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brash_stryker said:

It's been a while since I've posted any updates on this project. Rest assured it's not dead, just on a temporary hiatus due to being busy and also daunted by having to replicate my cuts all over again. I reached the long ass arena scene and decided to have a break from both the project and this forum, which ended up lasting a little longer than I'd planned.

Now after a heavy Easter weekend, where I drank so much i knocked myself out on the pavement (sidewalk to my American chums), coupled with seeing RedLetterMedia's insightful Clones review on youtube, I've decided I've indulged my carnal desires long enough and am going to jump back into the editing. Hopefully churning stuff out at a similar rate to before.

As always, discussion and suggestions are key to me creating something we'll all enjoy.

It's good to be back!

-Brash

Great to hear!

btw, we say pavement too, or at least I do. A sidewalk is just a specific type of paved path that allows one to walk alongside the road while pavement can refer to any paved area including roads, driveways, parking lots etc.

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Weird, I had an ex from the U.S and she thought me saying pavement was weird.

Anyway, I've just been wowed by SSWR's latest videos on youtube and it's making me want to get this done so I can move on to ROTS now :p

Absolutely excellent work.

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Weird, I had an ex from the U.S and she thought me saying pavement was weird.

Anyway, I've just been wowed by SSWR's latest videos on youtube and it's making me want to get this done so I can move on to ROTS now :p

Absolutely excellent work.

 Wow thanks! I hope at least some ideas are doable! :D

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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Bear in mind, he has just tracked the Bounty Hunter there, so is under the impression that Dooku is behind Amidala's attempted assassination.

Even though, in my edit, he's not.

Although, I agree. The hostility at the level it is currently does seem a bit unjustified. It's as if Obi doesn't even take in what Dooku has just told him. He should at least question whether he's being told the truth or not. I don't know how this can be fixed though. This was a flaw in the original cut as well as mine.

I will have a go at shifting around the "I don't believe you" to replace the more hostile "I will never join you, Dooku" but I don't know if this can be pulled off effectively. I'd need another cutaway to replace it where it is originally. We'll see.

hey i have a couple of ideas regarding that scene.

1. How about after Dooku says "Join me Obi Wan and together we can destroy the Sith!" we have Obi Wan that stays silent. So Dooku has his answer in silent protest, similar to luke aboard the death star when the emperor is tempting him.

2. The alternative is maybe havin Dooku just say "Join me Obi Wan!" as if he means join the seperatists. Then Obi Wan can respond "I will never join you!" which in turn will strengthen Obi Wan loyalty to the republic and strengthen his comment in Epi 3.

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Could work, DuTwan. I'll certainly look into it!

I'm currently rescoring the arena battle with different music. That battle is so dull and needs some serious livening up. I'm trying to keep the music fairly original by combining parts from different songs (all from the movies).

I'm also toying with the idea of using parts from videogame music - mainly Knights of the Old Republic and The Force Unleashed. The former wasn't recorded by an orchestra, but I'm wondering whether this would be obvious to anyone.

Thoughts?

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brash_stryker said:

I'm also toying with the idea of using parts from videogame music - mainly Knights of the Old Republic and The Force Unleashed.

Thoughts?

Especialy TFU! Go for it!

In fact replace whatever you can that is similar to the TPM score and feels out of place and repeated as hell.

Unused cues tho is a good option :D

Cant wait to see some results :D

 

-Angel

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Agreed. I'm intending to eliminate as much reused music from TPM as possible. Either taking them from entirely new sources, or creating them from original OT tracks.

Having said that, I have used the force fanfare from The opening battle of TPM in the Geonosis battle. But only because it works so well for my purposes. You'll see what I mean when I post a clip. You'll also see that I've shamelessly stolen a lot of ideas from SSWR :P

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brash_stryker said:

You'll see what I mean when I post a clip. You'll also see that I've shamelessly stolen a lot of ideas from SSWR :P

 Steal away! ;)

I actually had another idea for that scene:

To make Padme a little more human once the battle starts: cut her jumping on that animal and riding it with anakin in the drivers seat. instead, once the battle begins, show the cart falling over and Padme running to immediatly take cover in it. I know Lucas wanted to make her strong in battle...but really? she's just gonna shoot at anything and expect the Jedi to cover her? not very clear thinking. She should take cover wherever she can. You could then show anakin seeing her in the cart and he could then run over to protect her from there. make sense?

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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That makes sense, however, even though it looks kind of stupid, I really like how that bit has turned out in regards to the accompanying music. I've used the same ROTJ music as you used in your mockup, SSWR, but it's timed differently, as my version starts off with a different fanfare. Once I have a more complete version, I'll post it so you can see what I mean.

Also, you say you had help from goodmusician for the music clip in the arena. May I ask what the song is? Is it from Star Wars in any way?