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have chimpanzees or ostriches or ants ever visited the moon?
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A chimp visited space.
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they probably don't know what the moon is, but what is your point?
you think Man (Americans and Russians) during the sixties aimed at the moon just for scientific reasons? or maybe it was because they wanted to be ahead of one another "we'll land first-- no, we'll land first!" just like a colony of ants would fight against another colony for the possession of a spot near a piece of bread...
my point being that yes, it is a scientific achievement, but it is also a big "who has the bigger dick" contest, just like any chimp would do
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yes, but would any chimp be able to figure out how to do it? I doubt it.
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Hmm, that is interesting that they don't know what the moon is... why is that do you suppose?
When I see an ant build an elaborate machine in order to get to a piece of bread before some other colony does, then I will agree that ants are as smart (or as dumb) as people.
And when I see chimps start measuring their dicks and comparing sizes (though, to really impress me, they'll need to develop a system of measurements as well), then I will agree that they are as dumb (or as smart) as humans.
Do you think that maybe you are not giving the human race quite enough credit? Maybe people can be sons of bitches sometimes and treat each other like shit. But how many animals from how many different countries do you see taking off and running over to Haiti right now in order to help out the Haitian animals who were victims of the recent Earthquake? How many ants are sending bread crumbs over to Haiti to help out the local ants who lost everything they owned? Well, humans are doing these things. I am sorry, perhaps I am just being arrogant, but god or no god, accident or creation, I think things like that make the human race pretty damn special. We are beyond a doubt unique among the known creatures of our planet.
And Boost, I really liked that last post of yours. Well said.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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Does man do war like a tribe of chimps? Yeah. Do we murder and steal like animals? Yes.
But has a warring tribe of chimps ever sent aid to the widows and orphans of the other tribe? Can one ant colony ever overcome its own nature and help out another? Once two warring packs of dogs stop gnashing at eachother, dos the victor ever seak to help rebuild the losing pack? Can one any hive accept starving refugees from another?
I like to try and think of the ways man transcends our base nature, not how we still mirror it.
(Edit: C3PX beat me to it, with a similar sentiment.. and thanks)
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Wow, another really well written post, courtesy of TheBoost.
Edit: Yours was far more concise, thought provoking, and to the point.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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can ants and chimps have debates like we're having?
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C3PX said:
Wow, another really well written post, courtesy of TheBoost.
Thank you sir. You flatter me.
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Jeez, I guess you guys never saw Antz.
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well, you guys... you've got me there. As much as I'm not really in love with the human race as a whole, I have to admit that I love and respect many people, then maybe I'm not that much of an animal as I thought I was... and again, you see, I'm viewing things from my own egocentrical point of view (me, I, me, me). guess I can't help that...
I really didn't grow up straight... mankind still puzzles me... it really does
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Can we all agree on what defines a sentient being?
A person?
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Mankind is a very puzzling thing. For as much evil as it does, I think it does just as much good. That whole crazy duality thing, which is something else animals don't muck around with.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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I remember this quote from a movie. It seems appropriate here.
"Mankind is the one animal that knows, and knows that he knows.
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Warbler said:
I remember this quote from a movie. It seems appropriate here.
"Mankind is the one animal that knows, and knows that he knows.
You have not met my cat!
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
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Warbler said:
Ferris, you don't by any chance, agree Robertson do you?
Not at all, but his goofiness tends to make many Christian haters come out of the woodwork and start holding him up as some sort of epitomy of a Christian when he is very far from that.
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Warb, I assume ferris was talking about this:
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The problem is, the majority of Christians give Christians a bad name. Televangelists make the faith look insane.
You are correct.
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Warbler said:
I'm sure he knew you lived on Earth. I think he was asking you to be a little more specific than that.
Eyeshotfirst, I'd urge extreme caution when you generalize and say most people of a group are something. It can get you into trouble.
Actually, I feel safer talking about religion than I did when I bashed South Park.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:
The reason so many people have religion is because, (in context to creation) science cannot explain creation without saying Bang.
I hate to start an argument, but I cannot grasp the idea of a creation without a creator. The universe couldn't have just decided to exist. My beliefs are easier to grasp than "It just happened".
So the universe couldn't have just popped into existence on its own but God did, and he then created the universe? So then how did God begin to exist in the first place...where did He come from?
It's all relative.
I was brought up Catholic but after a while I gave up going to church because it seemed like there was too much emphasis on just bumbling your way through life hoping that God will sort out all your problems for you rather than taking responsibility for your own actions and being in control of your own life. If I'm not in control of what happens to me then why do I need to exist in the first place? Religion just reduces the individual to being some unseen entity's form of amusement.
All the different religions of the world all think that their version of God is "the right one", when in point of fact they all believe in the same thing, they're just calling it by different names and developed different methods of showing it.
Basically, they're arguing over who has the better imaginary friend.
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
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I don't see anything unChristian about attacking Robertson. In fact, I think it's the duty of Christians everywhere to stand up and condemn that kind of hateful nonsense. If we don't make it clear that Pat Robertson does not represent the rest of us, we'll get more and more people seeing his hatred as the norm for people of faith.
Part of me hopes the Rapture actually happens so that someone can take a photo of the look of utter shock on Pat Robertson's face when he isn't taken.
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LOL!!!! I'd also like to see a similar photo of the members of the Westboro Baptist Church.
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I agree with Darth Chaltab, I don't mind slamming him when necessary to prove that not all Christians are that way, but to assume he wouldn't be taken in Rapture is not our place. We truely don't know God's intent or desires. Perhaps Robertson wouldn't be taken, but would we? What do we each deserve? Who's to decide? Only one can.
Well, despite his ridiculous statements, I think some people tend to overlook the good that he actually does.
Again, I ain't defending him at all, but to condemn him only for his stupid remarks and assault him with hateful remarks, all while overlooking his positives, is being just as blind and discriminatory as he is.
That said, I could find nothing good about Westboro Baptist Church. Those guys are genuine kooks. I've dealt with them a couple times on Soldiers Funerals and can't stand them at all.
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ferris209 said:
I agree with Darth Chaltab, I don't mind slamming him when necessary to prove that not all Christians are that way, but to assume he wouldn't be taken in Rapture is not our place. We truely don't know God's intent or desires. Perhaps Robertson wouldn't be taken, but would we? What do we each deserve? Who's to decide? Only one can.
yeah, I guess I can agree with you here. It is God's decision to make. I'm sure Chaltab wasn't be too serious about it.
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Again, I ain't defending him at all, but to condemn him only for his stupid remarks and assault him with hateful remarks, all while overlooking his positives, is being just as blind and discriminatory as he is.
I agree the good he does shouldn't be overlooked and maybe he shouldn't be totally condemned, but he does deserve criticism for his remarks, and the remarks themselves deserve to be condemned.
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ferris209 said:
Again, I ain't defending him at all, but to condemn him only for his stupid remarks and assault him with hateful remarks, all while overlooking his positives, is being just as blind and discriminatory as he is.
While I admit that perhaps Robertson and his organization are not a pure Galactic Empire level of evil, and I gladly overlook his good deeds to focus on his high public disgusting comments, but I disagree that there's any level of parity between him and I.
I think Robertson is a fucking asshole, perhaps overlooking a critical analysis of good deeds he may be involved in.
Robertson said an entire country deserves to suffer because he believes their ancestors made a deal with Satan.
There are degrees of predjudice, and I don't put myself, or anyone else in this thread on the same boat as Robertson.
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vote_for_palpatine said:
I am an atheist, but I have no problem with religion. Your life, your choice to believe what you want. After all, I know just as much about the existence of a god or gods as one who believes - that is to say, nothing at all. It is as much of a leap of faith for me to say that there definitely is no god as it is for a believer to say that there definitely is.
That said, Pat Robertson once again does his level best to convince those on the fence that religion is a breeding ground for morons. To wit:
"They (Haitians) were under the heel of the French...and they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you'...and so, the devil said 'Okay, it's a deal' and kicked the French out,"
What an asshat.
http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-haitiquake-patrobertson0113,0,5284708.story
People can be religious without being anything like Mr Robertson.
What he's doing is basically blaming the Haitians for freeing themselves from slavery. It's based on an old Haitian legend, but that doesn't excuse it. This isn't the first time the Haitians were blamed for freeing themselves, either. It gets thrown at them a lot.