Iron Man 2

I agree.  Not sure on the "abundance of villains" problem that superhero sequels tend to get into, but I'm sure it will be a fun ride.

I am just glad to see that Robert Downey Jr. got his career back. 12 years ago, I thought he would never get out of his rut. Mel Gibson may be a controversial man, but he saved RDJ's ass.

You complete me!

Is there more than one villain?  Whiplash is the only villain I have heard is in the movie.

Well, in my opinion, Iron Man, while not perfect, was considerably better than most modern Marvel Comics adaptions. So maybe that improvision was a good thing. Watch this second one suck worse than Rise of the Silver Surfer.

:(  I like Rise of the Silver Surfer.  It's just fun.

xhonzi said:

Is there more than one villain?  Whiplash is the only villain I have heard is in the movie.

Black Widow is there.  Wouldn't the US Government count also?

I thought Black Widow qualified as a "Love Interest" moreso than a villain.

I like the addition of Scarlett Johanssen but man Mickey Rourke is awful imho in the trailer, and towards the end Robert Downey pretty much looks like he is phoning it in.  And he really never played Stark in the first film really just a charicature of a Republican imho. I am a big fan of the comics and i never pictured this actor while reading them.

First one was a great action flick but did not really storywise do anything that has not been done before, although the cgi was the main selling point just like star trek 2009.  Dark Knight was a much better film despite Batman pulling a George Bush.

I'm 99% positive Black Widow is not going to be a villain.  Plus, having multiple villains isn't the problem, it's how they are handled.  Batman Begins had: Ra's Al Ghul (should have been pronounced "Raysh," but whatever), Scarecrow, the mob, and corrupt cops.  The Dark Knight: The Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow, the mob, and corrupt cops.  Both those movies are fantastic and feature more villains than any other comic book movie. 

Something like Spider-Man 3 is an example when the director and writer couldn't decide on how much screen time each villain should get and you get a huge cluster of shit. 

skyjedi- did you ever watch Eureka?  The "Stark" on that show I thought was a good visual match for Tony Stark.

Vaderisnothayden said:

But I was pissed off about Samuel L Jackson being Nick Fury. I think it's racist to change the race of a character, at least if the character is well-established, important and popular. I like Jackson (outside of Star Wars, that is) and I think his performance in Black Snake Moan was oscar-worthy, but Nick Fury isn't black. I mean, people would (rightly) be pretty pissed off if they cast a white woman as Storm of the X-Men and I don't see how this is any different.

You've not seen the current Nick Fury then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

Not only is the current Nick Fury black, they had permission from SLJ to model him after the actor.  SLJ playing a character they redesigned to be based on him was the only way to cast him.

Vaderisnothayden said:

But I was pissed off about Samuel L Jackson being Nick Fury. I think it's racist to change the race of a character, at least if the character is well-established, important and popular.

 

No, its racist to say that every comic book character should only be played by actors of the same race.  Skin color doesn't matter, talent does.  I think Denzel Washington would be an outstanding Two-Face, but people like you would never get past that he's not the same color as the character from the comics. 

Vaderisnothayden said:

And why are they not using the classic character that was important for so long instead of some recent invention?

They did. 

And he was terrible.  The Ultimate version of Nick Fury is not only black, but is modeled after Jackson.  They couldn't have chosen a better candidate. 

V said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

But I was pissed off about Samuel L Jackson being Nick Fury. I think it's racist to change the race of a character, at least if the character is well-established, important and popular.

 

No, its racist to say that every comic book character should only be played by actors of the same race.  Skin color doesn't matter, talent does.  I think Denzel Washington would be an outstanding Two-Face, but people like you would never get past that he's not the same color as the character from the comics. 

Vaderisnothayden said:

And why are they not using the classic character that was important for so long instead of some recent invention?

 

They did. 

 

And he was terrible.  The Ultimate version of Nick Fury is not only black, but is modeled after Jackson.  They couldn't have chosen a better candidate. 

Billy Dee Williams played Harvey Dent in Batman 1989, but then someone had the poor taste to cast a hammed up version played by Tommy Lee Jones.  One thing i thought Burton did right.  Having a wayans brother as robin would have been horrible though, and that was one of his less brilliant ideas. Totally would have fit those shusucker films though.

I don't think that is Sam Jackson being Nick Fury though, sam jackson plays sam jackson and was absolutely horrible in jackie brown, the star wars prequels, snakes on a plane, both xxx movies and jumper.  Only good performance in Pulp Fiction. Also awful in shaft.  Whats supposed to set his military character as fury apart from the character he played in xxx?

The last hulk was based more on the ultimate line than the original too.  But seeing as ang lee's was not faithful either that film was seen as decent because it had that guy from fight club,lol.

skyjedi2005 said:

The last hulk was based more on the ultimate line than the original too.  But seeing as ang lee's was not faithful either that film was seen as decent because it had that guy from fight club,lol.

When the Ang Lee Hulk came out, everyone was crying "too much talking, not enough action".  When the Ed Norton Hulk came out, everyone as crying "too much action, not enough character development".

Ya can't win.

Vaderisnothayden said:

V said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

But I was pissed off about Samuel L Jackson being Nick Fury. I think it's racist to change the race of a character, at least if the character is well-established, important and popular.

 

No, its racist to say that every comic book character should only be played by actors of the same race.  Skin color doesn't matter, talent does.  I think Denzel Washington would be an outstanding Two-Face, but people like you would never get past that he's not the same color as the character from the comics. 

Vaderisnothayden said:

And why are they not using the classic character that was important for so long instead of some recent invention?

 

They did. 

 

And he was terrible.  The Ultimate version of Nick Fury is not only black, but is modeled after Jackson.  They couldn't have chosen a better candidate. 

No, its racist to say that every comic book character should only be played by actors of the same race.  Skin color doesn't matter, talent does. 

I'm sorry but that's absolute bullshit. Characters should be kept faithful to what they are. Black characters should not be made white and white characters should not be made black, etc. There's nothing racist about insisting on some faithfulness to the source material.

And so what if an attempt at doing the original Nick Fury went wrong before. That hardly proves it has to go wrong. With a different actor and a different script it could be quite different. 

And if they want to do Marvel they should do proper Marvel, not this "Ultimate" bullshit.

 

 

Being truly faithful would be getting the core of the character right, whether or not the actor is the same race.  It's the inside that counts, not the outside.  And if you want them to be your idea of faithful, that's exactly what they're doing by casting Jackson- black actor for black character.  But you still can't get past the fact that the Ultimate Fury is black.  You want Fury to be white because that's the only way you will accept him. 

Just because the original Fury was white doesn't mean they're chained and bound to making the character white in the movies.  The original Hulk had gray skin, the original Batman killed criminals, and the original Wolverine was a highly-evolved wolf but all those characters changed over time, just like Fury.  Doesn't matter if the Ultimate Fury's been around for a much shorter time, it's a version of the character than Favreau chose to go with.  And rightfully so, because the Ultimate Nick Fury is basically Sam Jackson as a comic book character, and Jackson playing him in the movies is pretty goddamn faithful. 

Ziz said:

When the Ang Lee Hulk came out, everyone was crying "too much talking, not enough action".  When the Ed Norton Hulk came out, everyone as crying "too much action, not enough character development".

Ya can't win.

Yeah you can, just make a movie that isn't shit. As easy as that. Unfortunately, both Hulk films were shit. No reason they had to be shit, but they were. No reason they couldn't have won, but they didn't.