Who is Ignoring You, and Who are You Ignoring? (was: Who is Ignoring You? (was: Hello all, I'm back!)) — Page 7

C3PX said:

Don't be surprised Warb, you've really no reason to be on anyones ignore list. You really don't post all that much and when you do you stay on topic, you're not crass and you don't make pointless jokes.

thankyou, C3PX.   Its just that I've had so many problems on forums and pissed so many off that it surprises me it hasn't happened here.

Warb, you were banned before my time, but from what I've seen you seem like a reasonable fellow.

thankyou, Frink.

C3PX said:

TV's Frink said:

Just sayin'

I've no idea what you're on about Fink.

Sorry CP3S.

Ric Olie said:

Despite how annoying I am, only one user is ignoring me - BarBar Jinkx.  I can't blame him, I really am annoying.  In fact, I agreed with him so much, I made Bar Bar Jinkx my friend.

Bar Bar has unignored me, so I'm back down to 1 user ignore (Biff).  I was briefly being ignored by almonkey, deservedly so as I hijacked his Tie Model thread.  I apologized and he removed the ignore, but also called me a Penis!

At least I think he did...

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/my-tie-interceptor-model/post/389811/#TopicPost389811

C3PX said:

Bumpin' our unofficial "Ignore List Discussion" forum.

VINH added me to his ignore list, I guess because I offended him by disagreeing with him, then offended him even more by pointing out that he was offended just because I disagreed with him after he specifically mentioned my disagreement with him in an argument trying to prove that he doesn't get offended when people disagree with him, despite the fact that everyone at OT.com seems to think he does (obviously, they are just ganging up on him to be mean).

From the looks of things, sounds like he has every regular poster other than Don Gaffer on his ignore list (bet he gets tired of clicking all those "Show Post" buttons all the time). I've actually often enjoyed having him around, but you have to walk on egg shells around the poor guy. I work with kids with these kinds of disabilities all day, kind of a relief not to have to deal with it around here too.

 

There are plenty people who are not on my ignore list. Not everybody here is incapable of controlling themselves. As for you, I didn't put you on my ignore list for disagreeing with me. I don't put people on ignore just for disagreeing with my views. I put you on ignore for popping up after my post and going "Queef!" It was misogynistic of you and and I had been ready to put you ignore for quite a while, due to your various insults and putdowns which kept coming even after you PMed me to tell me you'd quit giving me shit. I mean, I had been asking myself for quite a while "Why don't I put this guy on ignore already?" and it was because I felt that way about you that I was impatient with you in the swearing debate. After our swearing debate, you posted a cartoon to mock me and then you pulled your "Queef" shit and I figured, what the hell, I've had enough of this guy's bullshit.

trying to prove that he doesn't get offended when people disagree with him, despite the fact that everyone at OT.com seems to think he does

Don't equate yourself and few friends with everybody. The problem seems to be that you and various others mistake strong disagreement with getting offended. If I feel strongly about a point I will be emphatic in how I express my disagreement. That is not meant as anything against the person with whom I'm disagereeing and nor does it mean I am in any way offended. When I get genuinely offended it's usually because somebody has gotten in some way personally offensive or rude. It's their crossing that line that offends me, not their disagreeing with me. The claim that I get offended by people disagreeing with me is bullshit and it's not made any more true if a number of people share the same mistaken view, anymore than the world was made flat by the fact that a lot of people once thought it was. 

xhonzi said:

I'm not on his yet.  I usually don't say much to him because I feel there is little point trying to convince him that he's in the wrong.  But he and I got into it a little in one of my threads.  I'm tempted to put him on ignore, but I do think he has valid opinions.  Even though he's usually a jerk whilst giving them.

I don't think stating things with feeling or defending one's views equate with being a jerk. We got into it on that thread because we had very different ideas of what that thread was supposed to be. It seemed to me that you were changing the topic and purpose of the thread halfway through. Of course, to you it just seemed like I was wrecking your thread. Whereas I felt I was keeping within bounds of the sort of discussion the thread allowed. You felt the thread's discussion assumed acceptance of certain points, whereas I saw no such thing.  I was sorry to get into conflict with you, because you had seemed one of the more civilized people here. As a result of that, I tried to be restrained when pointing out how I felt you'd crossed a line. I felt, and I continue to feel, that making critical personal comments about a poster is wrong except if you're doing it to somebody who's attacked you in some way. But I'm sorry if I unintentionally fucked up your thread.

I usually don't say much to him because I feel there is little point trying to convince him that he's in the wrong.

By in the wrong do you mean mistaken in views? Like about Star Wars or films or something? Because people certainly seem to feel it's ok to tell me my views are mistaken (and they're right in that, there's nothing wrong with telling anybody their views are mistaken), but I find that some people find it terribly offensive if I return the favor and try to tell somebody else their view is mistaken by debating with their reasoning. Also, I find that some people seem to find it offensive if I defend my views. If somebody comes along and tries to prove my view is mistaken and I respond by trying to prove their view is mistaken and that mine is in fact not mistaken, somehow what they do is considered ok but what I do is not.   

Why am I not on your ignore list?  I'm still confused about that.

EDIT: I get i now.  TVF FTW!

Nanner Split said:

Vaderisnothayden has me on his ignore list. And because of one post where I made fun of one of his rants (I just quoted his post and replaced all the text with "BAWWWWW!")

You're misrepresenting what happened. You replaced my post text with a cartoon pic of a childlike rabbit wiping away tears while going "Bawww!" The implication being that that was what my posts amounted to and, more particularly, that that was what I amounted to, which was unprovoked personal insult. And it was such petty childish shit, which really didn't impress me. And you were joining in when I was already being ganged up on. I had done nothing to you and here you were joyfully engaging in kicking me while I was down. I saw no reason why I needed to pay attention to the posts of somebody who acted like that. I mean really, why should I bother with somebody who pulls that shit? So I put you on ignore and didn't bother responding to any of the three people (yourself included) who were giving me shit on the thread, with the end result that I was able to get the thread back on topic and it moved past the personal trouble.

Vaderisnothayden said:

You replaced my post text with a cartoon pic of a childlike rabbit wiping away tears while going "Bawww!" The implication being that that was what my posts amounted to and, more particularly, that that was what I amounted to, which was unprovoked personal insult.

You are very sensitive.  And not in a "sensitive guy gets the hot chick at the end of the lame comedy" way.

When did this become a "VINH Responds to Those Who He Is Ignoring" thread anyway?  I liked it better when it was the "Who is Ignoring You?" thread, which to be fair, is also way off-topic.  But I still liked it better that way.

Incidentally, I don't understand putting people on ignore and then still responding to them.  I don't actually get putting anyone on ignore in the first place, but why bother if you're going to read what they say anyway?

I can tell you from past experience, its very hard to go reading someone's posts even though you put them on ignore and then once you've them it can be very hard not to respond.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Nanner Split said:

Vaderisnothayden has me on his ignore list. And because of one post where I made fun of one of his rants (I just quoted his post and replaced all the text with "BAWWWWW!")

You're misrepresenting what happened. You replaced my post text with a cartoon pic of a childlike rabbit wiping away tears while going "Bawww!" The implication being that that was what my posts amounted to and, more particularly, that that was what I amounted to, which was unprovoked personal insult. And it was such petty childish shit, which really didn't impress me. And you were joining in when I was already being ganged up on. I had done nothing to you and here you were joyfully engaging in kicking me while I was down. I saw no reason why I needed to pay attention to the posts of somebody who acted like that. I mean really, why should I bother with somebody who pulls that shit? So I put you on ignore and didn't bother responding to any of the three people (yourself included) who were giving me shit on the thread, with the end result that I was able to get the thread back on topic and it moved past the personal trouble.

But my whole point is VINH is that Nanner does that to EVERYONE!! He's posted various pictures in response to my rants. If he hadn't done that to you, at some point, then you'd certainly be the exception. I think you read way too much into the smallest things and take then too personal.

For those who missed it the first time around, jedi93 (a very familiar figure in a zigfried/ingosucks kind of way) had his clone wars thread bumped by fishmanlee.  If you're an off-topic person who stays out of star wars fan edit threads, you might want to give it a read, as it goes extremely off-topic starting around the end of the second page.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EPISODE-III-THE-CLONE-WARS-RECLONED-EDITION/topic/10880/

ferris209 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Nanner Split said:

Vaderisnothayden has me on his ignore list. And because of one post where I made fun of one of his rants (I just quoted his post and replaced all the text with "BAWWWWW!")

You're misrepresenting what happened. You replaced my post text with a cartoon pic of a childlike rabbit wiping away tears while going "Bawww!" The implication being that that was what my posts amounted to and, more particularly, that that was what I amounted to, which was unprovoked personal insult. And it was such petty childish shit, which really didn't impress me. And you were joining in when I was already being ganged up on. I had done nothing to you and here you were joyfully engaging in kicking me while I was down. I saw no reason why I needed to pay attention to the posts of somebody who acted like that. I mean really, why should I bother with somebody who pulls that shit? So I put you on ignore and didn't bother responding to any of the three people (yourself included) who were giving me shit on the thread, with the end result that I was able to get the thread back on topic and it moved past the personal trouble.

But my whole point is VINH is that Nanner does that to EVERYONE!! He's posted various pictures in response to my rants. If he hadn't done that to you, at some point, then you'd certainly be the exception. I think you read way too much into the smallest things and take then too personal.

Well, there's posting pictures and there's posting pictures. This one was especially mocking. Also, when you come along when people are ganging up on someone and post pictures mocking them, it's reasonable to interpret it as hostile. And some of Nanner's behavior since then has supported that interpretation. And taking pot shots at someone who's being ganged up on is an especially low thing, no matter how much one may post pictures to mock other people. And I don't think it's taking things too personally to take personally something that amounts to a personal comment. I don't see how I'm reading anything into what Nanner did that isn't implied by what he did. If he doesn't want his actions to be interpreted as hostile he should avoid mocking people who are being kicked and ganged up on. And I really don't see how unprovoked personal mockery counts as such a small thing. As far as I'm concerned, personal comments against a poster who hasn't attacked you at some point are totally unacceptable and crossing a crucial line.

C3PX said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

After our swearing debate, you posted a cartoon to mock me and then you pulled your "Queef" shit and I figured, what the hell, I've had enough of this guy's bullshit.

Fair enough. Doubt it'll mean much to you, but sorry about the "queef" comment, that was uncalled for. As for the picture, you said something along the lines of "I do what I want" and it really reminded me of that SP episode, so I posted that picture. I really wasn't meaning to insult you with it, but it was very dumb of me not to expect it to be construed that way, so I will apologise for that as well. You are right, I said I'd wouldn't pick on you in that PM, and I obviously slipped up on that one with the picture and the "queef" comment.

 Ok, I appreciate that apology.

doubleofive said:

I was telling my wife about SkyJedi and VINH, and how they always seem to bring a thread around to the prequels sucking, even if its a thread that's not even about movies. 

We don't. We do it sometimes, hardly "always". And what's wrong with mentioning one of the most significant truths of Star Wars on a Star Wars board I don't know. I'm rather tired of people inventing myths about my posting. If people are going to take me to task for something, surely it should be something I did/do rather than something people only think I do.

Vaderisnothayden said:

ferris209 said:

But my whole point is VINH is that Nanner does that to EVERYONE!! He's posted various pictures in response to my rants. If he hadn't done that to you, at some point, then you'd certainly be the exception. I think you read way too much into the smallest things and take then too personal.

Well, there's posting pictures and there's posting pictures. This one was especially mocking.

My god.  He called you a baby.  Big deal.  By going on and on about it, you're just confirming the picture.

I'm starting to feel sorry for you.  Seriously.  Something tells me you've been picked on your whole life.

Oops.  I'm going to suggest to Jay a way that these "accidental double posts" can be deleted by the poster.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Self-deleting-of-most-current-post/topic/11103/

Excellent post xhonzi, much more eloquent than I could ever hope to put it.

Except for that bit about me and Ric.  That sounds off to me.

xhonzi said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

xhonzi:

I usually don't say much to him because I feel there is little point trying to convince him that he's in the wrong.

By in the wrong do you mean mistaken in views? Like about Star Wars or films or something? Because people certainly seem to feel it's ok to tell me my views are mistaken (and they're right in that, there's nothing wrong with telling anybody their views are mistaken), but I find that some people find it terribly offensive if I return the favor and try to tell somebody else their view is mistaken by debating with their reasoning. Also, I find that some people seem to find it offensive if I defend my views. If somebody comes along and tries to prove my view is mistaken and I respond by trying to prove their view is mistaken and that mine is in fact not mistaken, somehow what they do is considered ok but what I do is not.   

To answer your question: No, it's not your opinions I'm saying "make you in the wrong."  I respect your and others' right to your own opinions.  It's the previously made accusation that you dispense them with such force and vigor as to be a jerk.  That's what I meant by saying you are in the wrong.  You're welcome to your opinion.  No one can change your mind for you, and you violently remind us of that all of the time.  It seems that you react to anyone else's opinion as a threat to yours so you have to shut them down.

There's conversing, there's debating, there's arguing and then there's what you do.  Maybe it's unintentional.  Maybe it's our misreading of your posts, but I do think you come across this way to a large number of the regulars here on the board.  Maybe you need to re-read your posts before submitting them.  Maybe you need to take a debate class.

Perhaps you think I have crossed a line into rudeness again.  Perhaps I have.  But my intent here is not to offend you, but to help you understand why you don't get along with a lot of people here so that maybe you can make some tweaks to your online persona.  I really do enjoy reading your counterpoint opinion in most cases.  In some cases I agree with you, but I always enjoy seeing differing opinions.  I starting reading/posting in the forums here to 1) Find like minded SW fans and hear them voice and reconfirm my opinions and 2) Find unlike minded SW fan's, hear their opinions, and more importantly, have them help me understand why they hold those opinions.  Now I also come here to 3) have a good time with my virtual friends and 4) insinuate that Gaffer is, in fact, a beautiful woman (which he is!). 

I think most people here can appreciate that not everyone will agree with them.  I agree with C3PX a lot, but he uses a certain unword from time to time which causes me to discipline him by putting him on my IGNORE list for a day or so.  I almost never agree with Warbler, but I still like to hear his side of the discussion.  Ric... well, Ric is Ric.  And Frink is Frink.  Or maybe I mean to say that Ric is Frink and Frink is Ric... I don't know.

What I mean is, maybe stop overcompensating.  You have said before that you're entitled to your opinion and you believe in giving it strongly.  As I have said before, be a little more aware of other people and it will make the forum here more enjoyable for all of us.

This is the post I said I wouldn't post because I doubted there was much point in trying to convince you that you are the source of your own grief here.  Please prove me wrong by thinking about what I said and maybe making some New Years resolutions to make some improvements.  I think you're already showing a softer side of VIHN in some of you last posts in this thread.

Most Sincerely,
xhonzi

I don't think you're being rude here. Your intention is clearly not aggressive.

It's the previously made accusation that you dispense them with such force and vigor as to be a jerk. 

I express my opinions emphatically and with feeling because that's who I am. I'm an emphatic person who feels things strongly. What needs to be made clear is that I am already toning down my posts almost more than I can bear. It would be impossible for me to post any less emphatically than I do now. And my being emphatic is not meant as an attack on anyone. I don't think people should take it personally when someone disagrees with them emphatically. They should save being offended for when there's actual personal attacks, which is something I try to avoid except when dealing with those who have attacked me.

It seems that you react to anyone else's opinion as a threat to yours so you have to shut them down.

I'm not trying to shut anyone down. I'm just trying to defennd my opinions. Let's say I state an opinion, then somebody else comes along and basically tells me my opinion is mistaken. It shouldn't be hard to understand that I would want to defend my opinion. That requires countering their argument. That's all I'm doing.

Maybe you need to re-read your posts before submitting them. 

I already do that.

Maybe it's our misreading of your posts

I suspect that for some reason some people are misunderstanding the intent and mood behind my posts, because people who know me well don't get bent out of shape by my discussion style.

Ric is Frink

Which is a pity, because I like Ric.

What I mean is, maybe stop overcompensating. 

Overcompensating in what way? I am already (and have long been) compensating frantically for my tendency to be emphatic. My tendency to be emphatic is not any sort of overcompensating. It's just my nature.

As I have said before, be a little more aware of other people and it will make the forum here more enjoyable for all of us.

I am a lot more aware of others here than I think I'm generally given credit for. Quite simply, I am not being understood.

in trying to convince you that you are the source of your own grief here. 

I'm afraid I see the source of my grief here as the limitations of human nature and the capacity of people to misunderstand those different from themselves. Because it is evident from things you and others have said that I am being entirely misunderstood. 

Please prove me wrong by thinking about what I said and maybe making some New Years resolutions to make some improvements. 

Oh I am thinking about what you're saying. You've presented it in a civilized manner and thus deserve consideration. But as for improvments, as I have indicated, those efforts have already been made and if they weren't I'd be more emphatic than I am. I will of course look for any opportunities that present themselves to improve things further.

I appreciate you trying to come to terms with me.