Davnes007 said:
Hey everyone.
Here's a little something that you may enjoy. It's a little something I threw together for fun. A REALLY short version of "The Phantom Menace" with a twis ending.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd9j56Nh4AQ
Anyway, have a Happy Holiday everyone...and a Happy Life-Day, too.
:D
Ha ha, nice one! :)
Is it safe to assume that the future realeases of TPM will have color corrections. I am only guessing this from the color quality of the Star Wars In Concert. The color in those shots looks amazing.
My only problem is when bigowings says this stuff about TPM, he says it like it's absolute fact when most of it is just subjective opinion. Criticize all you want, but just don't imply OPINION is an absolute FACT.
Octorox said:
doubleofive said:
Here is a nice comparison:
I think the I-SE's head may be off just a hair. And VI looks almost as dumb as I. Maybe he really was getting old, and his right eye broke in the year between V and VI.
ROTS has the best CG Yoda. ESB has the best Puppet Yoda. ESB has the best looking Yoda overall
Granted, Yoda is about 900 years old in ESB, even though 25 years is not much time in a creature who lives to be 900, but if he spent 25 years on a swamp planet it does makes sense he would look more disheveled. Try living of the land for the most part for even 3 years and see how different you would look. Older, more haggard.
Bingowings, I like your idea of "reversing" the story of TPM, I think it would definitely make the story more to the point. I'm just not really sure it could be accomplished.
The main problem is that in the movie as it is, we care so little about the people of Naboo: we are being told they are suffering and dying, but we don't see it. The only thing we see of it, is through Queen Amidala's eyes, she is our only connection to the invasion. I think taking out that part of the movie would really hurt what little we care about the planet.
I also think that starting the movie on Coruscant would really bog the movie down in politics at too early a point.
I do think the idea is very interesting though, so could you elaborate on how you would have it work?
You make a good point, SK. There are any number of films footage of the persecution of Naboo's population could be constructed (or even simply lifted) from, if an editor wanted to show it. It would have to be done very well to not look like an overly forced case of dog kicking, but it could work.
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
SilverKey said:
Bingowings, I like your idea of "reversing" the story of TPM, I think it would definitely make the story more to the point. I'm just not really sure it could be accomplished.
The main problem is that in the movie as it is, we care so little about the people of Naboo: we are being told they are suffering and dying, but we don't see it. The only thing we see of it, is through Queen Amidala's eyes, she is our only connection to the invasion. I think taking out that part of the movie would really hurt what little we care about the planet.
I also think that starting the movie on Coruscant would really bog the movie down in politics at too early a point.
I do think the idea is very interesting though, so could you elaborate on how you would have it work?
But we don't see the invasion. it is mentioned but never seen. So why even keep that stuff?
Put it in the crawl
Have Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon infiltrate the TF ship at the end during the space battle, have Anakin purposefully join the battle in space.
The Jedi/Maul duel will take place in the engine generator room on the TF ship.
mrbenja0618 said:
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
Yeah but the cinematography is way different.
If that could be pulled off, that would be amazing.
It would eliminate alot of stupidness.
Idea: I think the Gungan battle is rediculous. It really should get taken out of the ending, it does nothing important and theres already too much going on at the end..
What if you take it out of the end, and use bits and pieces of it somehow in the beginning to show the raid on the city? Dont know if it would work.
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
Yeah but the cinematography is way different.
If you can even call it that. Seems like every shot is wide and sometimes slowly zooms in or out. I don't even think they are dollying a lot of the shots. Just boring, nothing going on shots... But then AOTC they randomly shift to a Saving Private Ryan doc style of shooting. So many inconsistencies I really don't think the Riddick footage could throw it off that much... Probably improve it.
mrbenja0618 said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
Yeah but the cinematography is way different.
If you can even call it that. Seems like every shot is wide and sometimes slowly zooms in or out. I don't even think they are dollying a lot of the shots. Just boring, nothing going on shots... But then AOTC they randomly shift to a Saving Private Ryan doc style of shooting. So many inconsistencies I really don't think the Riddick footage could throw it off that much... Probably improve it.
I once thought something like Riddick's night attack on a SW city would've made a great prologue if you did something like Mandalores invading.
But it's also at night.
The problem is this:
So many things in TPM are mentioned but not shown with the Naboo. "My people suffer and die. The death toll is catastrophic, etc".
That RedMedia critique posted a few pages back didn't bring up anything not discussed in the previous 10 years of critiques. But it was a one-stop review covering most of the big problems with the film. It was great for that.
I remember in 1999 discussions on theforce.net about why early IG-88 droids weren't used instead of dump battle droids and why they spoke and sounded so silly when silent and deadly would've worked better, and on and on.
Why instead of Annie asking Qui-Gon about midis, he couldn't have asked about the Sith and who they were, etc.
I truly think the ultimate TPM edit is yet to be made.
Ghost said:
If that could be pulled off, that would be amazing.
It would eliminate alot of stupidness.
Idea: I think the Gungan battle is rediculous. It really should get taken out of the ending, it does nothing important and theres already too much going on at the end..
What if you take it out of the end, and use bits and pieces of it somehow in the beginning to show the raid on the city? Dont know if it would work.
Funny enough, Lucas' original revised rough draft script of TPM had an early battle where the Naboo militia went out onto the grass plains to meet the droid army and were quickly wiped out.
That would've established the droids right up front as a threat to be taken seriously.
I'm just not sure how if it could be done at all with existing footage.
I wonder if anyone remembers that taco-Bell commercial that had the 3 employees of taco bell, pizza hut, and KFC fighting the droids on the plains? Released around the time of TPM. That had additional footage of ground action on Naboo.
The jedi also take forever to get to Theed. Much of that stuff can be shortened.
This film is going to be a much bigger task than all three OT revisits combined IMHO.
Sevb32 said:
My only problem is when bigowings says this stuff about TPM, he says it like it's absolute fact when most of it is just subjective opinion. Criticize all you want, but just don't imply OPINION is an absolute FACT.
^ ?????????????????????????????? (IMHO).
That would've established the droids right up front as a threat to be taken seriously.
It would be a much more interesting opening. Like RedLM said, ANH started out, and right away the story was being told without saying one word. The same could be done with TPM.
Mabey show a little of the battle with the having the Gungans meeting up with the droids with Naboo city scapes in the background.
Have the gungans get wiped out and then show the droids marching in raiding the city.
As shaner said, it would right away establish the droids as a threat.
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
Yeah but the cinematography is way different.
If you can even call it that. Seems like every shot is wide and sometimes slowly zooms in or out. I don't even think they are dollying a lot of the shots. Just boring, nothing going on shots... But then AOTC they randomly shift to a Saving Private Ryan doc style of shooting. So many inconsistencies I really don't think the Riddick footage could throw it off that much... Probably improve it.
I once thought something like Riddick's night attack on a SW city would've made a great prologue if you did something like Mandalores invading.
But it's also at night.
The problem is this:
So many things in TPM are mentioned but not shown with the Naboo. "My people suffer and die. The death toll is catastrophic, etc".
That RedMedia critique posted a few pages back didn't bring up anything not discussed in the previous 10 years of critiques. But it was a one-stop review covering most of the big problems with the film. It was great for that.
I remember in 1999 discussions on theforce.net about why early IG-88 droids weren't used instead of dump battle droids and why they spoke and sounded so silly when silent and deadly would've worked better, and on and on.
Why instead of Annie asking Qui-Gon about midis, he couldn't have asked about the Sith and who they were, etc.
I truly think the ultimate TPM edit is yet to be made.
That and confused matthew, who in my opinion has far more exhaustive list of problems... And he did it for all three prequels. http://www.confusedmatthew.com/Star-Wars-Episode-I%3A-The-Phantom-Menace.php
Ghost said:
Mabey show a little of the battle with the having the Gungans meeting up with the droids with Naboo city scapes in the background.
I'd love to see that. There isn't a mock-up already out there, is there?
-Rhikter
mrbenja0618 said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
Yeah but the cinematography is way different.
If you can even call it that. Seems like every shot is wide and sometimes slowly zooms in or out. I don't even think they are dollying a lot of the shots. Just boring, nothing going on shots... But then AOTC they randomly shift to a Saving Private Ryan doc style of shooting. So many inconsistencies I really don't think the Riddick footage could throw it off that much... Probably improve it.
I once thought something like Riddick's night attack on a SW city would've made a great prologue if you did something like Mandalores invading.
But it's also at night.
The problem is this:
So many things in TPM are mentioned but not shown with the Naboo. "My people suffer and die. The death toll is catastrophic, etc".
That RedMedia critique posted a few pages back didn't bring up anything not discussed in the previous 10 years of critiques. But it was a one-stop review covering most of the big problems with the film. It was great for that.
I remember in 1999 discussions on theforce.net about why early IG-88 droids weren't used instead of dump battle droids and why they spoke and sounded so silly when silent and deadly would've worked better, and on and on.
Why instead of Annie asking Qui-Gon about midis, he couldn't have asked about the Sith and who they were, etc.
I truly think the ultimate TPM edit is yet to be made.
That and confused matthew, who in my opinion has far more exhaustive list of problems... And he did it for all three prequels. http://www.confusedmatthew.com/Star-Wars-Episode-I%3A-The-Phantom-Menace.php
Yeah I watched confused matts reviews a few months ago. Funny stuff too. I don't agree with all his opinions(I loved the last Trek film) but he's always entertaining.
I'm looking forward to see what he says about Minority Report.
Plus he had the balls to rip 2001. That takes cajones(and I grudgingly agree with him on some of his points).
shanerjedi said:
SilverKey said:
Bingowings, I like your idea of "reversing" the story of TPM, I think it would definitely make the story more to the point. I'm just not really sure it could be accomplished.
The main problem is that in the movie as it is, we care so little about the people of Naboo: we are being told they are suffering and dying, but we don't see it. The only thing we see of it, is through Queen Amidala's eyes, she is our only connection to the invasion. I think taking out that part of the movie would really hurt what little we care about the planet.
I also think that starting the movie on Coruscant would really bog the movie down in politics at too early a point.
I do think the idea is very interesting though, so could you elaborate on how you would have it work?
But we don't see the invasion. it is mentioned but never seen. So why even keep that stuff?
Put it in the crawl
Have Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon infiltrate the TF ship at the end during the space battle, have Anakin purposefully join the battle in space.
The Jedi/Maul duel will take place in the engine generator room on the TF ship.
So you don't want to show the invasion at all, even though it is integral to the story of TPM? I don't think that will work. There is too much tell, and not enough show in the prequels already. I think we need to see the invasion because is what the whole plot and characters' journey is about.
Also, if we don't show the actual invasion in our TPM edit, I think the audience would hardly be able to tell it happened at all, because we don't see the effects of it. We don't really see that in the current movie either, but at least we've seen the invasion. If we take that out, we've been building up this planet under siege for an entire movie, and when we finally get to it we see a beautiful planet seemingly unharmed. There's even less drama in that.
What might work is that we start the movie with the Neimoidians receiving orders from Sidious (opens the movie with a darker tone which might help set the tone of the whole movie). We see a montage of the invasion and then cut to Coruscant where the story begins. Kind of like the opening of Harry Potter and the Halfblood Prince, where we get this action prologue with the Death Eaters attacking London before the movie gets to the main characters.
Bingowings said:
Sevb32 said:
My only problem is when bigowings says this stuff about TPM, he says it like it's absolute fact when most of it is just subjective opinion. Criticize all you want, but just don't imply OPINION is an absolute FACT.
^ ?????????????????????????????? (IMHO).
He must have you confused with someone else.
A music video I've made based on the Star Wars Concert's 'Dark Forces Conspire' video, featuring....Duel of the Fates, of course :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJIVHKKz0QM
Hope you've all had a great Christmas and I wish you all a Happy New Year. In 2010 we should hopefully have some more great ideas for the prequels - picture and video mock-ups galore :D
Tayyab
TV's Frink said:
Bingowings said:
Sevb32 said:
My only problem is when bigowings says this stuff about TPM, he says it like it's absolute fact when most of it is just subjective opinion. Criticize all you want, but just don't imply OPINION is an absolute FACT.
^ ?????????????????????????????? (IMHO).
He must have you confused with someone else.
Seb throws the same accusation at Ady now and then so I should be flattered.
Observations and opinions are always subjective (IMHO), there are no 'facts' where it comes to the fictional world of Star Wars. There is canon (something that is only of interest to some and certainly not to most contributors to this thread) but in terms of narrative it's a mosaic of made up stuff.
There is an irony that Seb has made a subjective (and in my opinion erroneous) observation on what he believes I have said and has stated that as FACT (I believe myself to be mostly non-fiction BTW, at least on last reading , I hope I haven't been digitally enhanced) when it too is OPINION.
Could we just take it as read that all observations and opinions posted here are subjective and not facts?
This thread will start to sound like Loretta nee Stan's constant interjections during the manifesto drafting of The Peoples' Front of Judea if every other sentence has to end in IMHO (IMHO).
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Has anyone tried using shots from the Chronicles of Riddick when the planet is under attack? It's sorta Nabooish.
Yeah but the cinematography is way different.
If you can even call it that. Seems like every shot is wide and sometimes slowly zooms in or out. I don't even think they are dollying a lot of the shots. Just boring, nothing going on shots... But then AOTC they randomly shift to a Saving Private Ryan doc style of shooting. So many inconsistencies I really don't think the Riddick footage could throw it off that much... Probably improve it.
I once thought something like Riddick's night attack on a SW city would've made a great prologue if you did something like Mandalores invading.
But it's also at night.
The problem is this:
So many things in TPM are mentioned but not shown with the Naboo. "My people suffer and die. The death toll is catastrophic, etc".
That RedMedia critique posted a few pages back didn't bring up anything not discussed in the previous 10 years of critiques. But it was a one-stop review covering most of the big problems with the film. It was great for that.
I remember in 1999 discussions on theforce.net about why early IG-88 droids weren't used instead of dump battle droids and why they spoke and sounded so silly when silent and deadly would've worked better, and on and on.
Why instead of Annie asking Qui-Gon about midis, he couldn't have asked about the Sith and who they were, etc.
I truly think the ultimate TPM edit is yet to be made.
That and confused matthew, who in my opinion has far more exhaustive list of problems... And he did it for all three prequels. http://www.confusedmatthew.com/Star-Wars-Episode-I%3A-The-Phantom-Menace.php
Yeah I watched confused matts reviews a few months ago. Funny stuff too. I don't agree with all his opinions(I loved the last Trek film) but he's always entertaining.
I'm looking forward to see what he says about Minority Report.
Plus he had the balls to rip 2001. That takes cajones(and I grudgingly agree with him on some of his points).
I think we are on the same page. I agree on about 97% of all his issues with the prequels. But I thought Star Trek was a amazing movie and feel the series could be going in a new and exciting direction.
And honestly, he put into words my actual feelings on 2001.
To bring back on topic... If one were to fix all the issues that matthew brings to light... We would either have an amazing movie, or a 3 minute special effects clip. Can't decide which yet.
lol. Yeah part of me wonders if TPM is salvagable as a full length movie.
I still think it is but we'd need to beef up some of the plotting and storytelling.
and please can someone get rid of all those meetings in the middle?
Jedi meet: yada yada yada.
Palpatine and Amidala meet: yada yada yada
senate meets: yada yada yada
jedi meet again: yada yada yada
ovaltine and amidala meet again: yada yada yada
"weesa goin home!"
what if the TF wasn't blockading for some obscure reason but because Naboo is suspected of harbouring slave fugitives? Maybe some of the gungans are fugitives and they hide out in the sacred place while otah gunga is their original home?
the fugitives are hiding out and the organization formally known as the trade federation comes to get them back?
this could start a war or something and the jedi are sent to prevent it.
okay. so the crawl sets up this idea that the organization formally known as the trade federation and the republic are going to sign a treaty outlawing slavery in the outer rim(where the organization formally known as the TF presides).
Amidala is a big abolitionist(this would tie into the slavery theme with Anakin later on too).
So the TF suspects the Naboo are harbouring slave fugitives from the TF territory(an empire perhaps?).
shanerjedi said:
and please can someone get rid of all those meetings in the middle?
Jedi meet: yada yada yada.
Palpatine and Amidala meet: yada yada yada
senate meets: yada yada yada
jedi meet again: yada yada yada
ovaltine and amidala meet again: yada yada yada
"weesa goin home!"
Well, to be fair, that last one is completely necessary to the plot. Otherwise the audience would not know where they were going.
