Vaderisnothayden said:
The other thread isn't relevant. This is a new thread, thus a new discussion.
I have to disagree here. The discussion here originated in the other thread I mentioned. The first post in this threat is a quote from a post I made in that other thread. It is clearly a continuation of that conversation. Gaffer created this thread in order to move this conversation out of the the other thread because it was off topic there.
Vaderisnothayden said:
The fact that he felt the need to say that implied a certain tension. It's not a neutral or even conciliatory statement. It's "I don't mind people not liking sports so you shouldn't mind people liking sports." Which didn't need to be said. And in the context, saying he didn't mind people not liking sports almost implies the opposite to what it sounds like it's saying. People often say the direct opposite of what they feel in conversation.
He felt the need to defend liking sports, as if my post was an attack on liking sports. And I didn't appreciate my post being interpreted that way. I thus expressed exasperation at the tendency people have to get defensive just because you say you don't like something.
I just reread Frinks post and didn't get any implication that Frink meant the opposite of "I don't mind people not liking sports so you shouldn't mind people liking sports." I think you reading into stuff that isn't there.
Vaderisnothayden said:
He felt the need to defend liking sports, as if my post was an attack on liking sports. And I didn't appreciate my post being interpreted that way. I thus expressed exasperation at the tendency people have to get defensive just because you say you don't like something.
maybe he did get defensive and maybe you overreacted just a little.
Vaderisnothayden said:
You did ask "who cares?" That was worth responding too.
No, I did not ask who cares. Look at my original post. There's no question mark at the end. I was not asking a question. The who cares was a rhetorical statement that was an expression of the fact that I didn't care. Look carefully at my original post. The whole post leading up to that is solely about my attitude towards sports, about how I feel. The who cares was the end of a statement on how I didn't care. The actual phrase was "but as it is, it's just like who cares", as in that's how I felt about it. There was no question in that. I was not asking who cared, nor was I saying nobody cared, nor was I saying nobody should care or that people were wrong to care.
I reread you post and you are correct and you did not put in the question mark. I guess he implied that it was a question. I did the same thing. It did seem to me like you were saying nobody cares. When I reread your original post after reading what you've said here, I can see that we(Frink and I) did not understand what meant to say. However I do believe it was an understandable misinterpretation. The "who cares." could easily be misinterpreted as asking "who cares?", imho.
Vaderisnothayden said:
Giving what this thread is about, I don't see what is so wrong with someone trying to say why he likes sports and why its ok to watch them.
But that's not what he did. What he did was get defensive and start trying to justify and basically imply that my post had said something it hadn't.
again, I just think it was an honest misunderstanding of your original post.
Vaderisnothayden said:
The whole "I don't mind people not liking sports and you shouldn't mind people liking sports" that was implied in his statement was drawing boundary lines and adjucating tension, which was totally unnecessary. I didn't appreciate his unnecessarily defensive reaction.
perhaps you misunderstood his post just like we misunderstood yours? Again, I just think you're overreacting a bit.
Vaderisnothayden said:
I reread you post and can see that you certainly did not say it wasn't ok to watch sports. Maybe what Frink said wasn't meant just for you was just to the anti-sports people in general. In any case, its not worth any of us getting upset at each other. So lets all calm down.
I'm calm, but I'm not so sure Tv's Funk is. He seems to have a certain hostility towards me. While this discussion was going on here he was giving me a whole lot of very much personal trouble on another thread. Which was an aggravating factor in my reaction to his defensiveness here. Btw, I appreciate your conciliatory tone.
I really don't want get into what has gone on between the two of you in other threads. Perhaps you two could talk over your differences via PMs? Just be careful to communicate clearly, and be calm and patient with each other and open minded.