When he's actually covering what's wrong with TPM it's really good. Although I found myself chuckling at times, in a Family Guy/South Park manner, this would be a much better review, and serious video to boot, if he'd left out his "black comedy".
I thought Redlettermedia was awesome. He really hit home at about chapter 12. At the time of the Ep1 release, I think many of us were on the wow its more Star Wars sensation. But time really tells for the PT. Everything RLM points out is obviously clear with each successive watch.
What I like to envision is that RLM IS GL, and that he had a mega-facepalm, got drunk and made this video :)
I hope the guy doing The People Vs George Lucas has watched it.
RATLSNAKE said:
When he's actually covering what's wrong with TPM it's really good. Although I found myself chuckling at times, in a Family Guy/South Park manner, this would be a much better review, and serious video to boot, if he'd left out his "black comedy".
That's really the major issue that bothers me about this review, which is unfortunate because apart from that aspect, his review of TPM is great and he brings up many (and I mean MANY) excellent points on the film.
Kind of a sidenote, but regarding Confused Matthew and his reviews, I've actually been putting together an edit of his SW Prequel reviews that merges them together into one giant review of the series and uses video from the films in place of the still images that CM used.
Yes, I don't mind the swearing, but some of the jokes were over-the-top to some people.
I posted this review at SW Message Boards and one guy said he turned it off after the second "F" word, and another just refused to watch it.
I'm sort of giving up on Lucas. It doesn't look like he cares about how to make the movies better.
Mabey he is to busy with his TV show, hopefully he wont screw that up because that will very likely be the final nail in the coffin if he messes it up.
But when he releases TPM again, he will just worry about visuals, I guaruntee it.
This guy is absolutely funny!! Ever since I watched this, I went on to his "Star Trek" movie reviews, priceless!! I especially love his review of "Star Trek: Insurrection", pretty much proved that Picard is being a hypocrite and just wanted to bone the milf with the Baku people. Funny as hell!!!
Ghost said:
I posted this review at SW Message Boards and one guy said he turned it off after the second "F" word, and another just refused to watch it.
I hate deluded, fan-boy people like this. If you appreciate film you need to be objective, and the reality is the prequels ARE that bad. I'm guessing these people must be kids, or sad adults. Many of us said ROTS redeemed them a bit, but looking back no it didn't. It's just the best of the worst, giving the illusion that it was ok.
The truth is, which we all know, George has been a very lucky man, in the sense when he gained success it was thanks to many other great people around him. The Raiders films are largely thanks to Larry Kasdan and Steve Spielberg. Fact is there is enough anecdotal evidence that had he the opportunity to make the OT in the manner he did the PT, they would have sucked like the PT.
RATLSNAKE said:
Ghost said:
I posted this review at SW Message Boards and one guy said he turned it off after the second "F" word, and another just refused to watch it.
I hate deluded, fan-boy people like this.
Surely the person Ghost was referring to had an issue with the language not the content, if he turned it off after the second F-word. How does disliking swearing make someone a deluded fan-boy?
This was one of the funniest things I've ever seen, and the review was right on the money to boot. I even added it to my sig.
The dude's voice, btw, is hilarious. It's like Signor Cardgage from H*R...just some amazing filmmaking yo. I hope RLM does something like this for Eps II, III and ROTJ...they all deserve this treatment (though not as harshly).
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
bilditup1 said:
This was one of the funniest things I've ever seen, and the review was right on the money to boot. I even added it to my sig.
The dude's voice, btw, is hilarious. It's like Signor Cardgage from H*R...just some amazing filmmaking yo. I hope RLM does something like this for Eps II, III and ROTJ...they all deserve this treatment (though not as harshly).
I beg to differ - both AOTC and ROTS were just as horrible and f**ked-up as TPM (although neither would ever be as hyped/anticipated as EP1 was).
Well, II may deserve it more, but III has a few redeeming qualities. I enjoyed it. And as none of these had the hype, the cartoon rabbit, hopelessly annoying kid or ridiculously convoluted ending that I had, you could make the argument that I take the cake for 'most frakked up'.
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
Ha, unintentional humor ;)
Also, the black humor was the most ridiculous part of this thing; it's what gave it its' character...
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
both AOTC and ROTS were just as horrible and f**ked-up as TPM
Not as bad though. Everything in AOTC until the battle of Geonosis is just as bad as all of TPM. When I say battle, I'm talking about after they escape the arena. The last part of the movie is promising.
Now, if ROTS can develop or build up to the ending, (which is very good)it can be up there with the OT. I really think the blueprint is right with this movie. If it is handled right, I really think this movie can be a very, very good movie. The emotion is there, the story is pretty good. With editing on Anakin, alot of ship landings taken out, less battle sequences, and overall flow improved, the movie will seem way better. Not to mention, Ady will have alot better tech to work with by the time he gets around to ROTS.
You actually thought ROTS' ending was "very good" and "on par with the OT"? That's asinine. It was basically a rushed, poorly-executed attempt to tie up all the loose ends left dangling and cover over the legion of unresolved plotholes with a thin layer of pretty CGI and overly-contrived, cartoonish, boringly long lightsabre battles. Add the this total failure Padme's "losing the will to live," Yoda's undignified frog-hopping, Palpatine's transformation into a laughably bad self-parody, and the unwillingness or else inability to adequately set things up for the next movie (ANH), and you're left with nothing more than a steaming pile of sith. (Haw haw.)
Personally, I've come to see TPM, as unwatchably bad as it is, as a lot closer to the spirit of the OT than either of its sequels. At least that one felt a little like Star Wars, even though it was cringe-inducing and stupid. AOTC and ROTS have just chucked sincerity and fun out the window, and have settled for PS2 video-game sequences and "romance drama" that feels like a twelve year old wrote it.
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Honestly, I think ROTS ending montage was excellent and proves Lucas is at his best when no dialogue is involved.
"Nooooooooooooooooo!"
Good points Akwat Kbrana.
I think the ending is powerful and can be made more powerful if edited correctly.
Padmes death sequence when it zooms in on the necklace was a very symbolic, emotional sequence. This to me was the best part of the ending.
I didnt care much about the Alderaan droping Leia off sequence, but that could potentially be taken out by Adywan to keep the mystery of Luke and Leia's relationship until ROTJ.
Overall, ROTS has the best storyline and gives Ady alot more to work with rather than TPM and AOTC.
Yes, TPM is most like the OT, but who cares, it won't be made into that good of a movie. Unless Ady has a secret plan. hmm...
Ghost said:
Good points Akwat Kbrana.
I think the ending is powerful and can be made more powerful if edited correctly.
Padmes death sequence when it zooms in on the necklace was a very symbolic, emotional sequence. This to me was the best part of the ending.
I didnt care much about the Alderaan droping Leia off sequence, but that could potentially be taken out by Adywan to keep the mystery of Luke and Leia's relationship until ROTJ.
Overall, ROTS has the best storyline and gives Ady alot more to work with rather than TPM and AOTC.
Yes, TPM is most like the OT, but who cares, it won't be made into that good of a movie. Unless Ady has a secret plan. hmm...
Because of course, only Adywan can save the damn Prequels....
(I'm not putting Adywan or his skills down whatsoever... I just find it so fricken hysterical of these people that believe that he's the only editor out there who can properly edit the SW Prequels into the great "dream come true" movies that everyone desired the Prequels films to be... especially when you consider that there are dozens of edits already out there by numerous editors and that they've all proven that no single edit of the Prequels will be universally accepted by all as the best, since each person has his/her own ideas as to what constitutes as a "Star Wars" movie)
As for Episode 1... all I can say is that I'm very satisfied with my own Attack of the Federation fanedit of it and no review of TPM (no matter how many great points that it makes about the original film) can change my opinon of my edit or that its become my favorite of the Prequel stories because (as Akwat Kbrana said) it does genuinely feel the most like a Star Wars movie to me than either AOTC or ROTS ever did.
Jason, If Ady puts out another definate version of a SW movie, the chances are improving that the PT can be saved. I don't care if he strips an hour off each movie, just make them lead up the the good movies.
You know, I could spend 100 hours of my life re-editing Attack of the Clones to be watchable, or spend 2 hours of my life watching somebody elses' efforts of the same basic film I've already wasted my life watching a dozen times, but I think I'd rather take that 2 hours and do something actually productive to myself. The problems with the prequels are so deep rooted that edits, which do help, only make it watchable, they don't make them good, and life is too short for something watchable.
Akwat Kbrana said:
You actually thought ROTS' ending was "very good" and "on par with the OT"? That's asinine. It was basically a rushed, poorly-executed attempt to tie up all the loose ends left dangling and cover over the legion of unresolved plotholes with a thin layer of pretty CGI and overly-contrived, cartoonish, boringly long lightsabre battles. Add the this total failure Padme's "losing the will to live," Yoda's undignified frog-hopping, Palpatine's transformation into a laughably bad self-parody, and the unwillingness or else inability to adequately set things up for the next movie (ANH), and you're left with nothing more than a steaming pile of sith. (Haw haw.)
Personally, I've come to see TPM, as unwatchably bad as it is, as a lot closer to the spirit of the OT than either of its sequels. At least that one felt a little like Star Wars, even though it was cringe-inducing and stupid. AOTC and ROTS have just chucked sincerity and fun out the window, and have settled for PS2 video-game sequences and "romance drama" that feels like a twelve year old wrote it.
Hear hear. TPM is a weak movie, but it's way more Star wars than AOTC or ROTS, which were soulless pieces of trash.
As for AOTC's later battle stuff, arena onwards, that was awful feelingless meaningless action spectacle of the sort the prequels are very into. And the jedi came off like such idiots. They pop up in the arena and immediately start striking idiot poses, in a way that can only be interpreted as very unjedi-like swagger and macho posturing. AOTC was a terrible bland artificial movie and far from saving it the battle scenes at the end just underline how feelingless it is.
ROTS got worse and worse as it went on. The later part is unbelievably bad. Palpatine turns into total hamming and gets into a cartoon fight with a Yoda who's implausibly fixated on strking macho poses. Anakin vs Kenobi is one long drawn out piece of torture, massively overdone spectacle with zero feeling or human connection. It just beats into your head "this is a significant scene", over and over. The jedi are offed and we couldn't care less because they're such a bunch of wankers. Hayden does some of the worst acting I've seen and Kenobi does bland and self-important. Padme kicks the bucket against established story that says that she died years later and she dies for no reason whatsoever. Then we get the nooooooo and then everything is tied up neatly with a bow to match ANH so much that you wonder if anything changed in the intervening 20 years. ROTS is the worst of the prequels, with levels of lameness that are amazing. And it's a very pompous movie too, which doesn't help.
And let me say I'm very much against Lucas going back and tinkering with the PT. No he shouldn't put a cgi Yoda in TPM, because TPM didn't have a cgi Yoda. It's dishonest to retroactively screw with a movie like that, whether it's ANH or TPM. Let people see what was actually shown in the theaters. And yeah I know TPM on dvd has already been fucked with, but that doesn't mean more fucking with it is ok. I don't think we should want Lucas to go back and fix the movies to our taste. They're the movies they are. They weren't to our taste. Let's accept that. And the problems aren't a few issues that can be fixed anyway. The problems with the prequels go down to the very core of their mentality. I don't think going back and screwing with old movies is ok whether they're good or bad. We should be seeing an honest representation of what the movie was actually like when it was shown on the big screen when it was originally released, or as close to that possible.
JasonN said:
Because of course, only Adywan can save the damn Prequels....
(I'm not putting Adywan or his skills down whatsoever... I just find it so fricken hysterical of these people that believe that he's the only editor out there who can properly edit the SW Prequels into the great "dream come true" movies that everyone desired the Prequels films to be...
The issue is that the problems with the prequels are largely intertwined with the limited amount of good material. The prequels require far more extensive work even than that which was put into ANH:R in my opinion. Adywan is the only editor who has demonstrated anything like the technical skills that would be necessary, which is why people look to him, but I don't believe anyone at all can save them.
Ghost said:
Jason, If Ady puts out another definate version of a SW movie, the chances are improving that the PT can be saved. I don't care if he strips an hour off each movie, just make them lead up the the good movies.
I too endorse what JasonN is saying. There are so many possible approaches to to the problems with ROTJ and the prequels that pinning all your hopes on Ady (who I'm sure will do amazing work) limits what can be attempted.
Ady is one editor, what he does he does very well indeed but not every idea or approach will appeal to him (and why should it?).
For most people on this forum the definitive versions of the OT (or at least the first two parts) already exist but not in a form we are yet happy with. Ady's Revisited projects are re-workings (and not the only ones available) of the SE.
There are many on here who see the available PT as the definitive versions and when Ady moves onto them he will be voyaging into a realm that many more editors have traveled before him and many will come after him too I'm sure.
There will never really be a universally agreed perfect saga set.
Which adds to the fun and the challenge of these films to editors and people hoping to assist editors.
If there was a single formula to make six Star Wars films that everyone agrees on as perfect, while it would be a relief to sit down and watch them some of the fun would be gone.
Thank heavens George Lucas has never claimed to be a prophet of the one true faith otherwise discussions like these would end in some kind of Spanish Inquisition.
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!! :D
...sorry couldn't help it
The desire to re-edit and fix every flaw always reminds me of this!:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4101/saturday-night-live-cooking-with-the-anal-rententive-chef