Maybe he'll make it into the Special Edition whenever Cameron finds that all the technology is there in the future to make the film he actually intended to make now.
skyjedi2005 said:
I have not seen the film yet though the films message will be judged by me if its applicability or pure allegory. I dislike pure allegory usually in fantasy fiction.
As for a sci fi film actually having some plot, meaning and feeling and a message that should have been what Star Trek should have been instead of a remake of starship troopers/star wars. This to me has the chance of being the second good sci film of the year the other was District 9. Star Trek was nothing but sights and sounds lacking any subtance, lens flares and shaky cam, pure eye candy aka junk. Good action film it may have been Star Trek it was not.
Star Trek has really always more about the characters than the science fiction, and while there has definitely been much more cerebral Star Trek, I think Abrams captured the series' essence perfectly. Like the original Star Wars it's NOT all flash and effects, It also has great characters and a solid story. By your logic Star Wars was also junk. I'm sure the next Star Trek film will have a message but for the first one it would have been too much to have a message, reset the continuity, introduce the characters, do the origin story, liven up the action and "sexiness" of the series all at the same time. Now that all that stuff is out of the way, the next one can have more of a message.
ferris209 said:
Maybe he'll make it into the Special Edition whenever Cameron finds that all the technology is there in the future to make the film he actually intended to make now.
and have him move in a weird unrealistic way to avoid being shot?
Avatar was completely awesome.Saw it in 3D last night and it blew me away.Welcome back Jim.
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Glad to hear it.
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Saw it in 3d. The story is boring and predictable - but you cannot fault the visuals, it looks great. I just wish they'd spent a little more effort on an engaging story.Didn't hate it [the story] just wanted something more.
What if George Lucas directed Avatar, replace the blue skinned people with a planet of gungans and the audience would burn the theater to the ground,lol.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Johnny Ringo said:
Saw it in 3d. The story is boring and predictable - but you cannot fault the visuals, it looks great. I just wish they'd spent a little more effort on an engaging story.Didn't hate it [the story] just wanted something more.
Well, that makes it a masterpiece in today's standards.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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We saw it in RealD today. I loved the first half or so. The 3D was great and the visuals were top notch. It's really a spectacle! Quite experiential.
The 2nd half, and I will open another thread on this since it's not quite on topic here. Was a mixture of awesome and terrible to me. I left the theatre more mad than happy.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
The 3D is stuninng. Expecially in the breifing room and outside the prison cell. But its the almost the same technology as i viewed in Captain EO years ago. Its not really 10 years worth of technology at all. And Cameron aint invented it either.
Im a big Cameron fan, but i was a little let down with a visually stunning, tree hugger story. 6 outa 10 Darth Solo stars (i viewed Parnormal Acitivity directly after, and rather enjoyed it alot more 8/10 Darth Solo stars there. Speaks volumes about filum bugets).
I cant help but think T2 would have been awesome given the total 3D treatment.
Conclusion is i actually like the 3D thing and would love to see it converted to older filums maybees...
Darth Solo said:
Speaks volumes about filum bugets)...
Conclusion is i actually like the 3D thing and would love to see it converted to older filums maybees...
I am curious. What are these "filums" about which you speak? Maybees you could explains to me what they are, yes?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Ah, thanks for clarifying. He spelled it wrong! No wonder I couldn't figure out what he meant.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I'm sorry but there are some films I don't think should be shown in 3D. Casablanca and Gone With the Wind come to mind. How could 3d improve them? (especially since they weren't originally shot in 3D)
No, no Warb! We are not talking about "films" silly! We're talking about the conversion of phylums to 3D! Which I must admit, excites me more than a great deal.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
um . . . ok . . .
Hey! Watch your tone young man!
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I also saw Avatar in 3D, and I have to say that I loved it. Sure, the basic story had been told before and had cliche moments, but I don't think its ever been told this grand. Jim still knows how to make epics. The 3D was subtle for the most part, and while I want to see it again, I'm not sure I could watch it in 2D the same way. I'm not sure if they can take 2D films and make them 3D, I'd have to see it before I make a judgment on that, but I think that movies of this caliber should be made in 3D to start with.
I wrote a review on my blog, if anyone's interested.
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Alright. Sorry it's taken me so long to post this. Thursday (the day before I saw the movie), 45 minutes before my last class of the semester, my computer, WITH MY FINAL ON IT (and no other copies), decided to just stop working. So I've been without a computer (it's being fixed for free by Apple at the moment - and yes, they were able to get my final off the hard drive in time for me to not fail the class) since Thursday. I'm using my brother's right now (just got back to Indiana from school today).
Anyway, I saw it in IMAX 3D at Navy Pier on Friday, and it absolutely blew me away. It's the first movie that's ever truly convinced me that we can now do ANYTHING we want with CG effects, and do it convincingly ... and that, honestly, scares the shit out of me.
It's also the first non-documentary 3D movie I've seen where I felt the 3D actually added to the experience rather than detracting from it. I have a suspicion that the CG convinced me so much because of the 3D, but I won't be sure of that until I see it in 2D.
Now, many here have been saying that the story is bad. It's not bad, it's just very derivative. It feels like Dune and Dances with Wolves mixed with whatever the hell James Cameron was smoking when he wrote it. And I don't really have a problem with that - the first Terminator was a huge ripoff of (I believe) a Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode, and it's one of my favorite movies.
The action is very well staged, even if I had a bit of trouble figuring out just what the hell was going on in the big, epic aerial battle at the end. I forgive that for the sheer awesomeness of the film.
Sam Worthington managed to put a very relatable face on what must have been, on paper, a very unrelatable character. I can feel his disillusionment with the "real" world grow throughout the film. Zoe Saldana (though we never see her as a human) did a very good job as well, though I'm not sure how much of her performance was CG-enhanced after the fact.
I have two minor problems with the film. The first is the dialogue. I know dialogue has never been Cameron's strong point, but almost every word that comes out of that scarred mercenary's or Michelle Rodriguez's mouth sounds ridiculous.
The second is very nitpicky, but it distracted me. The subtitles don't blend well with the 3D. It's fine and undistracting most of the time, but once or twice there was something that clearly should have passed in front of the subtitles, but didn't. It threw the depth perception of the shot off completely every time it happened.
In short, I absolutely loved it. Seeing Avatar in IMAX 3D felt like what I'd imagine seeing Star Wars for the first time in 70mm would have felt like. I recommend it to everyone, even VINH (though I doubt he'll see it).
ChainsawAsh said:
the first Terminator was a huge ripoff of (I believe) a Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode...
It borrowed and expanded on ideas found in two different episodes of The Outer Limits. I've seen both episodes, and can say definitively that Terminator is not a huge rip off of either of them.
Cameron has a long history of being accused of ripping people off. His TV series, Dark Angel is often considered a rip off of a series of James Patterson books.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Here is some info on the coming 3D Blu Ray spec.
http://thedigitalbits.com/#121709
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
C3PX said:
ChainsawAsh said:
the first Terminator was a huge ripoff of (I believe) a Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode...
It borrowed and expanded on ideas found in two different episodes of The Outer Limits. I've seen both episodes, and can say definitively that Terminator is not a huge rip off of either of them.
Cameron has a long history of being accused of ripping people off. His TV series, Dark Angel is often considered a rip off of a series of James Patterson books.
That is funny because i thought Dark Angel was basically a ripoff of the good guy terminator idea except Max was female and a genetically engineered super soldier.
I remember my bro remarking on how the female terminator in sarah connor chronicles cameron was a ripoff of dark angel,lol.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I see now connection between the plot of Terminator and Dark Angel. One is about a robot send back from the future to protect/kill someone, and the other is about a group of genetically altered super soldier children who escape the government's clutches.
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C3PX said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
It's patently absurd to say I attack anyone who has the slightest difference of opinion. I do nothing of the sort. There are certain people I will be less patient with due to past troubles (such as C3PX, on this thread)...
Wait a minute... what did I do "on this thread"?
Oh yeah, that's right! I disa-fuckin'-greed with you in the whole "cursing debate". Hell of a way to defend your position V.
You misunderstand. I wasn't saying you'd done something on this thread, I was saying that on this thread you were an example of somebody who'd previously given me trouble elsewhere and who were thus being treated with less than full patience by me. You've done plenty against me on previous threads, even after saying you'd quit doing stuff against me. My patience has been sorely tried by your sneering at me again and again. So when you came along and started getting repressive over swearing I lost patience and allowed myself to speak pretty freely to you as I felt was necessary to explain my point. Basically, I didn't compromise my argument by censoring myself for the sake of diplomacy, that censorship being something I would have done were I dealing with somebody who hadn't annoyed the shit out of me with personal offense crap in the past.
Octorox said:
skyjedi2005 said:
I have not seen the film yet though the films message will be judged by me if its applicability or pure allegory. I dislike pure allegory usually in fantasy fiction.
As for a sci fi film actually having some plot, meaning and feeling and a message that should have been what Star Trek should have been instead of a remake of starship troopers/star wars. This to me has the chance of being the second good sci film of the year the other was District 9. Star Trek was nothing but sights and sounds lacking any subtance, lens flares and shaky cam, pure eye candy aka junk. Good action film it may have been Star Trek it was not.
Star Trek has really always more about the characters than the science fiction, and while there has definitely been much more cerebral Star Trek, I think Abrams captured the series' essence perfectly. Like the original Star Wars it's NOT all flash and effects, It also has great characters and a solid story. By your logic Star Wars was also junk. I'm sure the next Star Trek film will have a message but for the first one it would have been too much to have a message, reset the continuity, introduce the characters, do the origin story, liven up the action and "sexiness" of the series all at the same time. Now that all that stuff is out of the way, the next one can have more of a message.
I can do without the message.