xhonzi said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
Vader knew it would kill the Emperor, because it did kill the Emperor. The Emperor's clones is just an eu story element thought up later and has no bearing on interpretation of events in ROTJ. And of course Vader was saving Luke from death.
Come now, it's a what if question. We all know it's an EU story, but why can't it cast implications back on events in the RotJ? The point of the EU is to get more of something you like, is it not? If so, don't you want it to actually cause you to revisit the thing that you like and maybe see it in a new light?
As for Palpatine transferring himself to clones via the force, there was never any indication before then (or in any of the films) that the force could do that.
Did we ever get a comprehensive list of things that the Force could and couldn't do? I must have missed that.
If you don't like the story, that's fine. But if you want to discuss this with me, please let's discuss it at the same level. If I ask what I think is a well thought out question and you respond with: "Teh prequels suck!" then we're not really discussing anything, are we?
"Come now, it's a what if question. We all know it's an EU story, but why can't it cast implications back on events in the RotJ? The point of the EU is to get more of something you like, is it not? If so, don't you want it to actually cause you to revisit the thing that you like and maybe see it in a new light?"
No way. The EU stuff is just some merchandising story thought up years later. It's alien to ROTJ. Its implications don't belong in ROTJ. To see ROTJ in the light of EU material like DE or Zahn's books is to pollute and twist the core canon with alien material that doesn't belong.
I can revisit ROTJ quite well with without dragging the EU into it. And the point of the eu is make money for lucas and that's all it's for.
"Did we ever get a comprehensive list of things that the Force could and couldn't do? I must have missed that."
I never said we got such a list. But there doesn't need to be any such list for my point to stand. The point is that we never got any indication that the force could do that (transfer minds into clones), so there's no reason why we should assume Palpatine's likely to go transferring his mind into clones.
"If you don't like the story, that's fine. But if you want to discuss this with me, please let's discuss it at the same level. If I ask what I think is a well thought out question and you respond with: "Teh prequels suck!" then we're not really discussing anything, are we?"
I'm hardly merely saying I don't like something. I'm refusing to go along with your attempt to reinterpret ROTJ in the light of DE, because I don't agree with doing that. I'm perfectly entitled to go that way if I want to. My argument that such EU-based reinterpretation of ROTJ/the OT is mistaken is a valid point of view. I also discussed the viability of the argument that it was logical to assume from what we saw in the films that Palpatine would go resurrecting himself in clones that had his mind. I pointed out that the films did not provide enough to support the argument that it naturally followed from the films that Palpatine would go resurrecting himself in clones that had his mind. I do think we're discussing something. But both of us are entitled to discuss it in the way we choose.
Seriously, I don't want to ruin your fun and all, but I feel very strongly that eu doesn't belong in the OT and I think I'm entitled to express that view. (And if that's how I feel, imagine how I feel about Bash Fender's ship the Outsider or whatever being put in the SE.)