Anchorhead said:
skyjedi2005 said:
I had enough of that preaching in high school, i go to a film for either a good story or an escape from reality
I agree. I often times go to the movies for a break from the stresses of daily life. I don't care to be preached to, or scolded - particularly for actions\practices\policies\etc that I didn't participate in, don't agree with, nor would I support. If it's a historically accurate period piece, such as Dances With Wolves, I'm all for it. (One of my top ten films). If it's a preachy, self-serving metaphor - I won't bother. I'd rather see the information much more clearly, in a documentary.
That said....
skyjedi2005 said:
how white people were bad to the black people
how white Europeans were bad to the...native Americans.
...politics nonsense.
Racial discrimination & genocide are not political nonsense.
Okay you got me there i agree. But the theme has already been explored in Dances with Wolves not science fiction, and in science fiction in star trek insurrection.
See this stuff would totally fit star trek, they would just slip an issue in there under the disguise of science fiction settings, still i feel Cameron's gotten far too preachy since T2. Its his right as a storyteller and director. I am more interested in the human relationships in the film, even the humanlike aliens. The action parts are okay i guess too.
I thought the themes had their place for instance in district 9 because they were in service to the plot and not randomly thrown in there on some whim like the bush'ism inserted into revenge of the sith.
Having not seen Avatar yet i was still cannot judge it too much, it just felt a bit like old trodden ground in new fangled 3-D. If cameron creates a believable world with characters you care for and throws in romance and adventure like an old hollywood swashbuckler i'm all for the films success. I just don't want another unwieldy and overly pretentious film again like Titanic despite the emotional underpinings of the drama the history was junk, the only thing that was accurate was that the Titanic exactly sank.
Now as for Avatar will these themes be only a part of the whole and actually have a point in the plot or a nice little nugget or easter egg for those who care to notice.
I mean will the Navi be like the underdogs sort of like the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi, versus the evil planet earth people who come to this new world only for profit.
I mean if they can make a message not heavy handed and connect you with the meanings through the characters i'm all for that. I guess my only beef with these ideals and messages sometimes is the way in which they are presented and not the thematic material themselves. Speaking from a purely visceral human level and moving you greatly rather than feeling like you were just at some sermon.