Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 222

Anyone can rip them apart (Lucas seems to have done that by making them badly) putting them back together in a better state is where the challenge lies.

From what Ive seen, Adywan can put them back together. He could really get this movies rating up there.

ChainsawAsh said:

I'm still very apprehensive about what will happen when Ady gets his hands on them (and ROTJ, for that matter) - I think there's a high risk of a very intense backlash against Ady if he changes "too much" about the prequels/ROTJ.

 "Star Wars" was a perfect film, and the GOUT was like being punched in the nuts.

Adywan took this perfect film, polished the presentationwith minimal interpretation/reworking, and gave us a masterpiece.

Even that parts of ANH:R that people quibble about are less that 2% of the actual product (Battle of the Heroes, electro needle, etc).

OBJECTIVELY, ANH:R is brilliant.

Once Adywan (or any fan editor) starts doing things more subjectively (which seems to be what he's implied his plans are for ROTJ) disagreements will naturally follow. I'm sure though, that even if I disagree with him on many subjective issues, ROTJ:R will be a hoot and a half to watch.

From Caravan of Courage, this shot has one Ewok violently thrown through the air and slam against another. With a lighting effect to the right, this could be added to ROTJ after any explosion on Endor to up the violence.

Look at this bad Ewok Mofo. Armor, skull necklace, axe. ROTJ needs this dude.

There are a handful of shots of him throwing an axe in CoC, but they all have the dumpy little boy in them. Could he be cut out, or covered in some way?

There's been talk of adding fire to the Ewok battle. Well, these dudes from Battle for Endor are ready to get inserted, perhaps with a little more fire added to the background to hide their hut?

Caravan of Courage has a few of these POV shots of Ewoks stabbing at the camera in a very unfriendly manner.

Bingowings said:

vaderios said: 

 

Something like this would be great but very time consuming (I can't imagine many of the original elements of what was in it's day a ground breaking set of special effects sequences surviving a reworking of this magnitude).

It would also add to the impression of a major clash between two fleets if we saw more fighting way off in the distance.

The ROTJ battle frequently has something epic in the foreground to cover up that there isn't much going on in the background (other than a lot of cut and paste duplicated ships barely moving about).

I agree with this idea. However, not too much. In the shot above for instance, you could leave the ones at the top the same, but maybe add dueling ships in the distance with small laser blasts in between the foreground ships.

EyeShotFirst said:

Ghost said:

I think Ady will do something special for this battle. Remember that technology will be 2 years better than it is today. So he could pull this off easier and better than he could right now. That's really the only reason I'm glad he is doing the saga 4-5-6-1-2-3. Meaning TPM needs alot of work just visually.

If he just colour corrects it, removes Jar Jars antics, and axes the midichlorions, I will be happy. I think visually it is more like the OT than the other 2.

The effects weren't terrible. They just need some tweaking. Some of the pointless rambling needs a good trim. This film is way more salvageable than the horrible Hayden PT films.

I 100% agree. Now there can be some more effective tension added to the storyline and make the TF more of a threat. But yes, TPM is more OT-like than the visually-cluttered AOTC and ROTS.

doubleofive said:

I like the shots and ideas, but the quality is pretty bad.  Maybe as small elements somewhere, but unless someone can scale it up to 720p (the presumed res of RotJ:R) and it not be obvious, they might not be usable.

What is needed to to up the size of something like that?

And just a thought, but if these are added during the heat of battle, and more fire is added in general, do you suppose added smoke and keeping the shots short might hide the lower quality images?

I agree totally with EyeShotFirst's post up the page. Except for removal of the PT. There already out there and were stuck with them. There are just sitting there with alot of potential that nobody has yet figured out how to handle.

EyeShotFirst said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Bingowings said:

I look forward to a really radical reworking of the prequels (including redubbing the worst of the dialogue acting human, alien and droid).

*clapclapclapclapclap*  Absolutely.  Any attempt to make the prequels legitimately *good* will have to involve making their stories nearly unrecognizable when compared to the original versions.

I'm still very apprehensive about what will happen when Ady gets his hands on them (and ROTJ, for that matter) - I think there's a high risk of a very intense backlash against Ady if he changes "too much" about the prequels/ROTJ.

They can kiss his ass and watch the originals. All of these annoying purists should stay out of the fan edit section. Especially when it comes to edits of the prequels or in your case the complete removal of the prequels which I fully applaud.

The case with ROTJ. He can do whatever he wants with it. That film needs a new mood to it. I am sure Ady can make it a darker film than ESB.

I hope he radically fixes the 3 prequels.

ROTJ is a good shell, it just needs some elbow grease and great editing. I guarantee it will be way better.

I look forward to ESB:R for the visual work done to it. But I really look forward to ROTJ:R, because I know I am in for a real treat. ROTJ was great in it's day and will always be great, but it needs to be like the other 2. ANH and ESB were building up to ROTJ and it felt like it just went too fast. You cannot destroy an Empire in 3 days unscathed. I want you to feel that nobody is going to survive. The Empire should have the upperhand to the very last minute.

Let's just say that their vulgar display of power should explode right in their faces.

This film can be dark. I can see it in my head. Luke already seems worried about everybody in the battle. But we can make his worries true. The space battle must be terrible. X-wings should be exploding all over the place. Tie fighters should be spitting out of the Death star by the hundreds (thousands if Ady feels up to it)

The film should be focused soley on the last 20 minutes of the original version. The whole rescue from Jabba's palace is needed, but it doesn't have to be a main focus.

If I could show you all a rough draft of what is in my head, I would. Words cannot describe it, but I hope Ady has something grander in mind.

Ady we are with you and we will stay with you until every one of these films are done.

I'm with you on ROTJ. That really should have been ESB part Deux. But no. Suddenly the rebellion is stronger and there's all these new ships and shit.

It was Lucas' easy out so he could get out of SW after he finished.

Monroville said:

shanerjedi said:

Bingowings said:

vaderios said: 

 

Something like this would be great but very time consuming (I can't imagine many of the original elements of what was in it's day a ground breaking set of special effects sequences surviving a reworking of this magnitude).

It would also add to the impression of a major clash between two fleets if we saw more fighting way off in the distance.

The ROTJ battle frequently has something epic in the foreground to cover up that there isn't much going on in the background (other than a lot of cut and paste duplicated ships barely moving about).

I agree with this idea. However, not too much. In the shot above for instance, you could leave the ones at the top the same, but maybe add dueling ships in the distance with small laser blasts in between the foreground ships.

Would it also be conceivable to show ships going in various different directions (like a SD going vertical in the background, one at an upwards 45%, but upside-down, etc) and make it less "2-dimensional"?

Again, SERENITY minus the camera zooming would be a good example...

And another link for good measure

Yeah, I thought about having a Star Destroyer and rebel ship duking it out in the background over the planet matte, but moving horizontally, not following the same away from camera-towards camera that the other ships are.

Perhaps this is rather minor, but is it just me, or does Yoda look really weird in his hut in scenes from ESB and ROTJ? His chin looks more receded than before, his eyes are crossed (though I think his eyes are crossed for all of ROTJ), and his mouth looks really out of place. I noticed this in the scene where after Luke says "I'm not afraid", Yoda says "You will be. You will be..." it's particularly noticable.

vaderios said:

rcb said:

srry, to go off that topic. but, i was wondering if we could take that scene, replace the frigate with a corvette or cruiser and have them firing at each other kinda like in ROTS with the republic cruiser and grevious's ship?

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 awsome vaderios! if only we could put some more ships out there, preferably corvetts and calamari.

i like the idea of having the cargo ships out there as kamikazees. they used them as that in a few of the rogue squadron games.

anyways. awsome vaderios, u never cease to amaze me. ;)

doubleofive said:

TheBoost said:

doubleofive said:

I like the shots and ideas, but the quality is pretty bad.  Maybe as small elements somewhere, but unless someone can scale it up to 720p (the presumed res of RotJ:R) and it not be obvious, they might not be usable.

What is needed to to up the size of something like that?

A high definition copy of the Ewok movies, which don't exist (and would be an abomination if they got a full restoration and the OUT didn't).  Maybe it could be done with sharpening filters, but I'm not sure zooming in on those images could be salvaged from their already fuzzy and compressed 480p source.

I don't think that zooming is necessary.

I expect the ROTJ:R to be in 2.35:1 aspect (or close to it) frame in a 720p 16:9 square pixel format. That is actually only 545 pixels vertically which is only ~13.3% more than the 480p vertical resolution of CoC.

I think that the CoC ewoks could be added at 1:1 scale into a  background with more foliage and not look too small. Because CoC is in 4:3, you would have to add more foliage around them anyway.

Darth Lars said:

doubleofive said:

TheBoost said:

doubleofive said:

I like the shots and ideas, but the quality is pretty bad.  Maybe as small elements somewhere, but unless someone can scale it up to 720p (the presumed res of RotJ:R) and it not be obvious, they might not be usable.

What is needed to to up the size of something like that?

A high definition copy of the Ewok movies, which don't exist (and would be an abomination if they got a full restoration and the OUT didn't).  Maybe it could be done with sharpening filters, but I'm not sure zooming in on those images could be salvaged from their already fuzzy and compressed 480p source.

I don't think that zooming is necessary.

I expect the ROTJ:R to be in 2.35:1 aspect (or close to it) frame in a 720p 16:9 square pixel format. That is actually only 545 pixels vertically which is only ~13.3% more than the 480p vertical resolution of CoC.

I think that the CoC ewoks could be added at 1:1 scale into a  background with more foliage and not look too small. Because CoC is in 4:3, you would have to add more foliage around them anyway.

 It would make even more sense to reduce the scale of the COC and BFE Ewoks and use them as small elements on a large canvas.

EyeShotFirst said:

This is my mockup of the Death Star reveal. Add it to the list 005 ;)

It is just a short little demo I did, nothing too fancy. It is a little too fast.

Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Make it stop!  Make it stop!