STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 588

I'm curious, the SE shot of Vader's shuttle flying toward the executor, could that not be used as Needa's shuttle flying over instead?  Keep the shot, change the context?

Also, for the perspective issue, if you extend all three perspective lines on Monrovilles diagram you'll find that they all meet at the same place, i.e. the vanishing point is the same.  This means the perspective is actually correct, it just appears off (as he pointed out later, likely an optical illusion)

ImperialFighter said:

 

Having looked at all the relevant scenes, we never see that path and door (to Vader's quarters) clearly.  What we do see is Vader turning the corner on his right, once he's past the 'control room' section, after Piett tells him that the Emperor wishes him to make contact.  We then cut to a few seconds (approx. 5 or 6) of the 'Executor' coming out of the asteroid field, before cutting back to Vader inside his quarters.

I reckon this brief cut to the Executor works fine in 'real-time' before we cut back to Vader in his quarters, because I think the dooway to his quarters is literally just around that right corner that he turns into.

Unfortunately I don't have a screenshot of it, but later on, just after Vader has choked Captain Needa, he then disappears off around that right corner again, and just before the scene ends, we can see that he begins to go down steps.  The 2 'security guards' seen standing in front of the doors in the 'unused' shot seen below here (one can be seen in the actual shot above), are not at the top of the stairs that Vader goes down after he chokes Needa....because I believe they are the 2 'security guards' that happen to be disposing of Needa at this point.

Here's an 'unused' shot showing the outside doorway to Vader's quarters, which is just barely out of shot at the end of the Captain Needa scene....showing the steps that Vader goes down at that point -

'Security guards' are normally stationed outside (as they seem to be at various other doorways, too), but were carrying Needa away in the scene where they would have been positioned here normally, which would have identified the positioning easier for us to begin with.

Just to clarify, the area I was referring to which ends in Vader being seen to go down steps is behind where those crewmembers are looking on here.  Where the steps led to was just barely out of sight here, but I always thought that the doorway to Vader's control quarters were just down there, as seen in the 'unused' shot above -

vaderios, there is indeed a momentary 'dimming' in this shot, and it's on the GOUT too.  It looks as if there was a deliberate (?) slight dimming of the lighting above the main walkway only, at this point in your right-hand shot.

TheTome said:

I'm curious, the SE shot of Vader's shuttle flying toward the executor, could that not be used as Needa's shuttle flying over instead?  Keep the shot, change the context?

Are you meaning actually replace the existing new shuttle drop shot with the SE shot so that it looks like we now fade in from Yoda to seeing 'Needa's' shuttle heading upwards towards the underside of the 'Executor'?

Or do you mean cutting to the SE shot after the point in Adywan's new shuttle shot where it's just dropped out of the Stardestroyer bay....or something else altogether?

vaderios said:

Just to clarify, the area I was referring to which ends in Vader being seen to go down steps is behind where those crewmembers are looking on here.  Where the steps led to was just barely out of sight here, but I always thought that the doorway to Vader's control quarters were just down there -

Which its get depressing how close are everything in a 20 Km ship :D

 

Well I stand by what I thought were reasonable and logical enough reasons for that which I listed in my 1st post on this page here -  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-NEW-TRAILER-AVAILABLE-NOW/post/385576/#TopicPost385576  

.....and I've always assumed that the other stairs that went upwards on the far left of your 'dimming lights' shot led to other areas that would access the rest of the large 'tower' they are in, with lifts to the main bulk of the ship itself (there's certainly a doorway on the left just as Vader enters the 'control room', as well as one further along which would give access to that side of the 'tower', and there would be some on the other side too)....but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Adywan reckons for his version.

 

 

Vaderios, there is indeed a momentary 'dimming' in this shot, and it's on the GOUT too.  It looks as if there was a deliberate (?) slight dimming of the lighting above the main walkway only.

So what do you think? requires fix? Or its a trick so the eye move off from the background?

 

Not sure about it either way vaderios, but it doesn't look like the whole shot has darkened, but only that the lights above have dimmed a little.  Could be a couple of reasons why the 'Executor's lights might dim I guess.

Monroville said:

Hmm... should the Falcon be somewhere in the middle of the frame?  Could the "big one" that Han wants to get closer to be the moonish one on the left, with the asteroid directly northeast of it be the one the Falcon does a spin underneath of to avoid?

Not to mention, at 2:24 to 2:28 from this clip, the Falcon is veering to our right, so when the camera changes to show it flying away at 2:29, it should indeed be moving to the left side of the screen in the image above (toward the bigger one), as opposed to being at the far right corner (though I could see the Falcon heading left, then turning to the right, accounting for the moment leading to Han's decision, whereupon he veers back to the left towards the big one we've seen previously, as shown above).

I can't say that I've ever thought of the Falcon's path as being this or what was shown in your diagram Monroville. 

In the shot immediately before the one shown here, the Falcon looks like it is then straightening up as it goes offscreen and we watch a few moments of this TIE starting to tumble downwards towards us....so that by the time we cut to this shot here, it looks correct and the Falcon looks like it's where it should be - it was straightening up to then veer to it's right as shown here.

Although big, I never saw this asteroid shown here as being the one they eventually enter.  I recall bringing up how I really disliked the big asteroid shown here because unlike the rest of the ones we see, it merely seems to slide across the shot, rather than be 'tumbling' a little, and is too rounded unlike the 'irregular' shapes of the others.  However, vaderios reckons that Adywan has confirmed that it's going, so YAY! from me, as I must have missed that.

To me, it's always seemed that the Falcon then travels quite a bit yet from it's right-hand position in this shot here before we eventually get to see the final big 'irregular'-shaped asteroid in front of the cockpit window as Han says "I'm going in closer to one of the big ones".

vaderios said:

Taking The idea from SWWR switching the angles in the death star escape i came to that conclusion that stylisticaly and visualy would be nicer if the angle is upper rather down. So the falcon seemed to enters from the up before switching again to normal one in the later shot.

Tried to eliminate the white spots replacing them with space. Assuming that the cave has gases and smoke(as we see later) some slight rays of light enhance the depth here.

 

I really like your 'downwards' angle in this shot though vaderios.  Nice idea.

And I remember hoping for this asteroid opening to show the starfield and a hint of the asteriod belt beyond it for consistency.

I'm not sure about your 'mist' idea in the shot that follows, as I think I'd prefer that kept to the inside of the Slug itself, although it might get 'steamy' in there I guess.  However, it's difficult to guage just how far down in the hole the Slug actually is, but like Monroville, I also remember suggesting that there could be a hint of the 'open mouth' at the bit seen in the distance in the cave shot he showed.

But since Adywan has confirmed he plans to put 'retractable' teeth on his 'Slug mouth' version, then I guess we shouldn't necessarily get a glimpse of teeth at this point anyway, as he may be planning on keeping that reveal for when the Falcon goes to escape.

I also really liked your new 'sky' in Leia's 'apartment' shot vaderios. :)

vaderios said:

But since Adywan has confirmed he plans to put 'retractable' teeth on his 'Slug mouth' version,

Not sure about that. i think that ady will not make a slug interior mouth.

I'm looking forward to it, as it's listed under the 'Asteroids' heading on his planned list of changes on page 1.  He might decide to go another effects route though.

vaderios said:

 

I love this idea too. Sadly I think many of Angel's recent suggestions may have come too late in the day for Ady to implicate but this one might be doable and would save having to build a whole new tunnel to (assuming there is enough information in HD version to achieve this on a very big screen).

It might help people still making suggestions if we knew the areas which were most incomplete or if there were any areas where Ady would actually like some suggestions made.

I'm sure Ady welcomes all suggestions but at this point I could imagine it being very frustrating to get so far along only to have some really good idea pop up which means he has decide whether not to do it or rework a sequence in his outbox.

It might be also useful to have a check list of errors in the SE (not artistic changes but things like continuity fluffs and special effects bloopers) which can be ticked off if they have already been fixed.

That way the eagle eyed among us can keep them peeled for any that have been missed and they can be added to the list (Angel's lighting observation after Needa's death is a good example, possibly).

Very nice work on the interior in the SD. That would be a very worthy change.

The one that is a total must is the added clouds to the ceiling at Bespin. I'm sure that has already been fixed though.

That is true Bingo, but I'm sure Ady has got most of these changes or another way of making an improvement on things suggested on this page.

I think Ady should start a ROTJ/TPM wishlist now.