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I aint getting involved 4 once.

Damn, i hate being the first poster on a new page.

Urm...Empire, lets pimp it up ;-/

Ideas to folllow.....and stuff

-Although, i go for a DAMN no way on removing the Lambada shutlle from Jedi. Its the most georgious space-ship ever designed, and we get get to see the most of it Endor (i get your way of thinking, but i have seen the the shuttle with an alternitive design, so I urge you to think of some sort of of a work around when you get to Jedi). Thats just messing with the OT too much. But thats another totally seperate project from here.

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Yeah, being at the top of the page is a lot of pressure.

You made a good choice for the signature.  That DE quote still cracks me up!

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adywan said:

The thing is, they have taken the scale of the Lambda shuttle from the size of it at the opening of ROTJ, and the scale of the falcon when its docked onto the stardestroyer, which is completely the wrong scale, but there is nothing i can do about that. Even the TIEs in the opening of ROTJ are the wrong scale. By that scale the TIEs cockpits are about the same size as about 2 stardestroyer decks. Are the stardestroyers manned by the Borrowers? lol. The Lambda class shuttle should fit easily in a standard Stardestroyer docking bay. Look at the size of the Stardestroyers bridge and then look at the size of the shuttle in that comparison pic you posted and you can see just how wrong the scale is. And don't forget the Tantive IV was originally going to be the Millennium Falcon and most of the so called official scales of that ship are still based on the original scaling. The scale there compared to the shuttle means that there would be no room for all those corridors. They screwed up the scaling of the Tantive IV yet again in ROTS. For the scale of the Lambda class shuttle just look at when Vader or the Emperor exits. You can see the scale of a human against the shuttle. Now compare that to the size of the Stardestroyers bridge in comparison to a human and you can work out the correct scale of the ships that way. So, yes, the Lambda class shuttle is indeed that small so it can fit into the stardestroyers docking bay

And no, i haven't got confused with the Executors docking bay in the ESB SE scenes.

That whole sequence at the beginning of ROTJ:R will be gone so there will be no problem with the scaling when i get to that.

I'm just curious Adywan, we know that the scale for pretty much every ship is off.  So let's say it were possible to fix all the dimensions, so the Star Wars universe was uniform.  In your opinion, which ship from the OT is the best choice for your primary reference to change all others by?  It's the amateur architect in me, I can't resist a geometry problem. ;)

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Got to be the Falcon, or X-wing  they are at 1:1 scale throughout (as is the N1 Starfighter for the PT) so they are the perfect reference point

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Jaitea said:

Heres a quick video of a 'New' TIE Shuttle. After rendering I noticed it drops a bit quick but its only a concept I'll maybe render it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE5e5zIbQ8E

 

 That really works well but the problem is we never see that ship again which give Captain Needa something like the same level of mystique as Darth Maul (has unique ship, hardly speaks, appears in only on film) as much as I love seeing Michael Culver in action he is only playing a minor flunky in this film.

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Darth Solo said:

-Although, i go for a DAMN no way on removing the Lambada shutlle from Jedi. Its the most georgious space-ship ever designed, and we get get to see the most of it Endor (i get your way of thinking, but i have seen the the shuttle with an alternitive design, so I urge you to think of some sort of of a work around when you get to Jedi). Thats just messing with the OT too much. But thats another totally seperate project from here.

Not that it matters much but I completely agree. I always thought that the OT having 3 slightly different opening scenes, all involving Star Destroyers , ROTJ opening was my favorite.

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This illustrates both the main mission of this site and the main mission of Ady's projects.

There are people who don't want a single thing changed about the OT and they deserve a highest possible quality version of the pre SE versions of these films.

Ady is making his version of the SE (an SE with changes to the films that make sense).

I loath (in terms of story) the opening of ROTJ for the reasons I mentioned earlier (the Death Star is meant to be the new threat to the Rebellion and the truncated rehash of ANH's epic Star Destroyer opening makes that threat look like a fragile tiny object).

The over-use of the Imperial Shuttle in ROTJ illustrates a key problem with that film which damages the illusion of a plausible fantastic realm (they had spent money on a model and filmed it above the requirements of the story, three key scenes with a ship design which is implied by it's function to have always have been there but was never seen before and on one occasion is serving a different function to what it is supposedly designed for).

All through ROTJ we see incongruous objects filling the background because the film makers already had the props made and it saved money (not because those objects make sense being there due to the story).

If changes are to be made at all those are the sort of changes that make sense, not Greedo shooting first or Vader making a weaker call for a shuttle.

While this is specifically a subject which should be taken over to the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist Thread in a general sense it covers a lot of the resistance to changes that popped up on the ANH:R thread, on this thread and on almost any thread where changes are suggested.

Lucas opened this can of worms when he first started tinkering with Star Wars and has propped it open with his attitude to his own special editions.

Preserving the films as they were and making changes to them are two separate issues.

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Gorilla said:

I'm just curious Adywan, we know that the scale for pretty much every ship is off.  So let's say it were possible to fix all the dimensions, so the Star Wars universe was uniform.  In your opinion, which ship from the OT is the best choice for your primary reference to change all others by?  It's the amateur architect in me, I can't resist a geometry problem. ;)

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Got to be the Falcon, or X-wing  they are at 1:1 scale throughout (as is the N1 Starfighter for the PT) so they are the perfect reference point

I'd have to say the Stardestroyers. The bridge sections of the standard & Executor are the same size and we can see the scale of a human against the windows so we can work out scales from that. The Falcon can't really be used because there are two different scales used throughout the movies when we see it against humans and when its flying: The studio set is completely the wrong scale. It's actually too small as can be seen when they are repairing the falcon in ESB and we see Chewie in the cockpit from outside. The cockpit is about 40% smaller than it should be when we see them in the cockpit set. So to match the scale of the cockpit set and the model the studio version should be a lot bigger.

Darth Solo said:

-Although, i go for a DAMN no way on removing the Lambada shutlle from Jedi. Its the most georgious space-ship ever designed, and we get get to see the most of it Endor (i get your way of thinking, but i have seen the the shuttle with an alternitive design, so I urge you to think of some sort of of a work around when you get to Jedi). Thats just messing with the OT too much. But thats another totally seperate project from here.

I have never said i'm getting rid of the Lambda shuttle from ROTJ:R. I'm scrapping the copycat ANH opening and changing the Tydirium to a different design so its noticeably different as its supposed to be a cargo shuttle. The opening is just a rehash of ANH as it stands at the moment. It's one thing i hated when i saw the movie. Jedi really needs to get away from that . And i agree that the opening as it stands makes the Death Star look insignificant when its supposed to be more powerful. The stardestroyer just dwarfs it.

But that is all for the ROTJ:R thread once its created. I need to get through ESB:R first

 

A little bit of an update:

The Faux fur/ hair i was using for the Wampa just wasn't working. It started to look like a fake Halloween creature. But some good news is that i have managed to buy 3 full hides of snow white real fur. This was bloody expensive, around £350 with postage, but thanks to  Janskeet i was able to afford this, but i'm now cleaned out. Yes i know its an expensive thing to buy just for a puppet, but putting all this time and effort into building it only to have it look terrible with fake fur would have been a waste of both time and money.

I still have a long way to go with the model/ set building but i am completely cleaned out and things are grinding to a halt, so any help would be highly appreciated

 

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Jaitea said:

Heres a quick video of a 'New' TIE Shuttle. After rendering I noticed it drops a bit quick but its only a concept I'll maybe render it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE5e5zIbQ8E

 

J

 

It works :)

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adywan said:

but thanks to  Janskeet i was able to afford this

Have I missed something? lol

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adywan said:

Darth Solo said:

-Although, i go for a DAMN no way on removing the Lambada shutlle from Jedi. Its the most georgious space-ship ever designed, and we get get to see the most of it Endor (i get your way of thinking, but i have seen the the shuttle with an alternitive design, so I urge you to think of some sort of of a work around when you get to Jedi). Thats just messing with the OT too much. But thats another totally seperate project from here.

I have never said i'm getting rid of the Lambda shuttle from ROTJ:R. I'm scrapping the copycat ANH opening and changing the Tydirium to a different design so its noticeably different as its supposed to be a cargo shuttle. The opening is just a rehash of ANH as it stands at the moment. It's one thing i hated when i saw the movie. Jedi really needs to get away from that . And i agree that the opening as it stands makes the Death Star look insignificant when its supposed to be more powerful. The stardestroyer just dwarfs it.

 

 

That's the spirit! ROTJ recycles so many things. The further away we can get from that, while still retaining the core essence of the story, is all for the better IMHO.

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adywan said:

A little bit of an update:

The Faux fur/ hair i was using for the Wampa just wasn't working. It started to look like a fake Halloween creature. But some good news is that i have managed to buy 3 full hides of snow white real fur. This was bloody expensive, around £350 with postage, but thanks to  Janskeet i was able to afford this, but i'm now cleaned out. Yes i know its an expensive thing to buy just for a puppet, but putting all this time and effort into building it only to have it look terrible with fake fur would have been a waste of both time and money.

I still have a long way to go with the model/ set building but i am completely cleaned out and things are grinding to a halt, so any help would be highly appreciated

 

Show us the scrapped  wampa one then :)

Nice move there Janskeet.

 

I suggest to release the ESB:R in two waves, ady. One with finished everything and one with the non props one. :D

it will work

 

-Angel

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vaderios said:

Show us the scrapped  wampa one then :)

 I second that! :)

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adywan said:

The Faux fur/ hair i was using for the Wampa just wasn't working. It started to look like a fake Halloween creature.

 

A nervous Adywan sat forlornly in the corner as he wondered how to tell the wife that he was starting over on the suit, and that the livingroom was gonna have to resemble an 'ice-cave' for just a few more weeks yet....

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adywan said:

A little bit of an update:

The Faux fur/ hair i was using for the Wampa just wasn't working. It started to look like a fake Halloween creature. But some good news is that i have managed to buy 3 full hides of snow white real fur. This was bloody expensive, around £350 with postage, but thanks to  Janskeet i was able to afford this, but i'm now cleaned out. Yes i know its an expensive thing to buy just for a puppet, but putting all this time and effort into building it only to have it look terrible with fake fur would have been a waste of both time and money.

I still have a long way to go with the model/ set building but i am completely cleaned out and things are grinding to a halt, so any help would be highly appreciated

I'm sure there'll be continued support for all this amazing work.

Real fur hides, eh?  Sounds awesome.  Agree that it's worth the extra to get a terrific-looking Wampa at the end of the day.

 

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Jaitea said:

Ady had suggested adding more explosions to the shield generator, think I went over the top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lulUXE-iDU0

 

J

Well ady will make a shield generator prop and will blow it to oblivion.

Besides that shot is too weak that i think needs whole re shooting. A better money shot oh-well!

A whole ground operation was for taking down the shield. At least at the end its good to get a Michael Bayish explosion aswell :)

Like this one

Now you know who is behind of this plot ;)


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The studio set is completely the wrong scale. It's actually too small as can be seen when they are repairing the falcon in ESB and we see Chewie in the cockpit from outside. The cockpit is about 40% smaller than it should be when we see them in the cockpit set. So to match the scale of the cockpit set and the model the studio version should be a lot bigger.

he is right.

Just for proofs

So this is not going to be a fix ,right ady?

At least the inner red lights? :D

 

-Angel

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This is my first time posting, I discovered Adywan's ANH:R about a month ago, and I love it. I can't wait for ESB:R. I've been trying to follow this thread, and while I haven't been able to read all 850 pages, I've read about 50 so far (thank goodness I have so much free time during work...) So without sounding too much like I'm sucking up to Adywan I'm very impressed by your work, and your meticulous attention to detail. A lot of changes are being made that I had no idea were problems, and I've watched these movies hundreds? of times... Either way, good job so far, I'm very excited about what I've seen in ESB:R, keep up the good work Adywan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now for some more constructive thoughts... With all of the problems with the ship scales in the movies, do you plan on fixing all of these things so they are all properly scaled? Is it worth the effort? Also, is there anything that can be done about the Falcon set not being to scale? Can it be done, and would it be worth it? Just curious...
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Logicaly when han shoots the belly of the slug and the camera goes crazy from the "earthquake" the cables of Millenium falcon are stable.

Hopefully they are poor on detail so i think they can be made with easy and doable ways more interactive with their moving environment.

 

-Angel

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vaderios said:

The studio set is completely the wrong scale. It's actually too small as can be seen when they are repairing the falcon in ESB and we see Chewie in the cockpit from outside. The cockpit is about 40% smaller than it should be when we see them in the cockpit set. So to match the scale of the cockpit set and the model the studio version should be a lot bigger.

he is right.

Just for proofs

So this is not going to be a fix ,right ady?

At least the inner red lights? :D

 

-Angel

Damn, I never noticed how bad the scale was.  It looks like the depth of the cockpit was cut in half, the two rear seats are gone, with only the window portions built for the scene.  The control console is just a 2-D cutout and Chewie's face is pressed right up against the glass.  Knowing now how much money ESB made back in 1980, kinda makes you wish they spent just a tad more to get the little things right, oh well.