Im giving ideas to adywan for a good making of presentation :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxAiXhJ1hY&feature=player_embedded
Like Michael bay says: AWESOME :D
-Angel
Very nice job on Yoda, Ady, but I think that when Yoda is trying to get the lamp back from R2, his brow should be furrowed, to show that he's struggling. I think that would be a nice touch, and would give more life to Yoda. Also, I agree with whoever said that Yoda's blink seems just a bit too smooth and slow.
Also, it seems that the food stick Yoda takes a bite out of is whole again when Luke inspects it and tosses it.
I'll throw my 2 cents in and agree that the Yoda blink could be more realistic if it were quicker.
But beyond that THANKS ady... for sharing the clips and for everything you're doing! I've been following this project for months, and it's endlessly fascinating to me.
Ive stopped viewing those clips again as i did before. Had my teasers now. Which is hard given the buzz again.
As a side note though Angel can you keep tabs on the swear words lately, it can always be avoided, even though i do it myself from time to time). Its just thats younglings are free to view a public forum aswell, and i like them to take an interest aswell even if they dont get IT..
Sure thing Darth Solo :)
My bad
-Angel
Dont mean to knock you, as i know its light hearted. So please keep up the works you do as its always apriceated here (even if the master dont adapt all your ideas). :-)
PM sent to V anyways.
I Know it was done before by Angel but heres a rough CG version of Needa's Shuttle. Its not lit right, I Know.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9223/esbrneedasridecomp.jpg
J
Cant see squat.
Upload image to imageshack from your computer J then post the direct link utrl address in your post under images here.
Should do the trick for ya fella....
Thanks Solo,
J
The Golden Idol said:
Very nice job on Yoda, Ady, but I think that when Yoda is trying to get the lamp back from R2, his brow should be furrowed, to show that he's struggling. I think that would be a nice touch, and would give more life to Yoda. Also, I agree with whoever said that Yoda's blink seems just a bit too smooth and slow.
Also, it seems that the food stick Yoda takes a bite out of is whole again when Luke inspects it and tosses it.
Brow furrow would be good.
As for the food stick, Yoda's got a small mouth...he couldn't have taken that much of a bite to start with.
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
Whoaa.....thanks for the new clips AdY. Everything is coming along nicely. I don't see a problem with Yoda's blinking....I don't know, maybe it's me though I think it looks okay. The recoloring is looking spectacular...as expected.
I was hoping to see some subtle Yoda toe wiggling a bit though when his feet are shown so prominently, lol....don't know if it's too late for such a change though or if Ady or anyone else would want to see that. After rewatching the clip I wonder if such a little movement might work when he laughs.
I also like the idea of maybe removing the debris from the Han Solo Hoth shot prior to the explosion. Never noticed that one before......great catch!
Shuttles should be for shuttling, bombers should be used for bombing, fighters should be used for fighting and transports should be used for transporting (especially where the Empire are concerned).
In the SE as it stands we have bombers used for shuttling and shuttles used for transporting (Han can get away with the Falcon it's his mobile bachelor pad with guns).
Excuse me I need to get the ambulance warmed up to pick up some shopping.
Adywan, Just saw the new video on facebook of the Hoth Battle. The color and sound are great, love the new addition of walkers and snowspeeders. I do have one question that the clip didn't show. During the battle Luke calls Wedge both Rogue 3 and Rogue 2. Have you corrected this dialogue mistake? It's not listed as one of the changes on page 1 of this thread. Luke is Rogue Leader, Zev Senesca is Rogue 2, and Wedge Antilles is Rogue 3. Luke turns his head away from the camera when calls Wedge, Rogue 2. So I don't think it'd be too hard to redub Luke saying either "Rogue 3" or "Wedge" instead. Keep up the good work.
Monroville said:
ImperialFighter said:
While I didn't mean 10 feet away from the Bridge, lol, I don't reckon a long, long trek from it either.
However, as it's impossible to actually judge exactly where this section of the set seen beyond the doorway is positioned anyway, there's nothing to say it can't be situated 'in the bowels' somewhere, without any manipulation whatsoever.
I'm not saying Vader's chamber should be in the Executor's nose or anything ("I said ACROSS her nose, not UP it!"), but being that we can see that path and door in later bridge shots (I know that when making movies, sets will be built in proximity to one another for budget sake), it does make it a little silly.
Okay, because vaderio's mock-up above is something I consider a 'fix' for something I personally don't reckon is broken, I'm going to have a final stab at where I now believe Vader's quarters is really meant to be situated....if you go by the actual 'set' layout itself - not very far away from being able to access any action on the Bridge, after all.
Having looked at all the relevant scenes, we never see that path and door (to Vader's quarters) in later Bridge shots clearly. What we do see is Vader turning the corner on his right, once he's past the 'control room' section, after Piett tells him that the Emperor wishes him to make contact. We then cut to a few seconds (approx. 5 or 6) of the 'Executor' coming out of the asteroid field, before cutting back to Vader inside his quarters.
Now I won't necessarily take that particular Executor shot's brief length literally, as I suppose it's possible to see it as a stylistic 'long jump ahead in time' before we return to Vader in his 'chamber' quarters, which could suggest that he's had time to travel into the 'bowels' somewhere, if you choose to look at it that way.
However, I reckon this brief cut to the Executor works fine in 'real-time' before we cut back to Vader in his quarters, because I think the dooway to his quarters is literally just around that right corner that he turns into.
Unfortunately I don't have a screenshot of it, but later on, just after Vader has choked Captain Needa, he then disappears off around that right corner again, and just before the scene ends, we can see that he begins to go down steps. The 2 'security guards' seen standing in front of the doors in the 'unused' shot seen at the bottom here (and 1 is seen in the actual shot above), are not at the top of the stairs that Vader goes down after he chokes Needa....because I believe they are the 2 'security guards' that happen to be disposing of Needa at this point.
Ignore the 'BRIDGE' indication in the shot below (which was confirmed as being wrong ages ago), and look on the 'arrow' as pointing instead to the right corner that Vader goes around, and therefore towards the steps that are seen at the end of the Captain Needa scene. And compare the detail of the 'set' walls seen on the opposite side of where this 'arrow' points, to the wall detail seen 'outside' of Vader's quarters in the current shot above . You'll see that the 'intersecting' portion that juts out from the wall, matches the detail that is seen behind the passing crewmembers in the above shot. If we could see just a little to the right of the above shot, we'd be able to see the 'white-lit' detail of the doorway seen on the left of the 'set' photo below (it's the same design as the outside of the doorway to Vader's quarters....as seen in the 'unused' shot at the very bottom here -
Here's an 'unused' shot showing the outside doorway to Vader's quarters, which is just barely out of shot at the end of the Captain Needa scene....showing the steps that Vader goes down at that point -
'Security guards' are normally stationed outside (as they seem to be at various other doorways, too), but were carrying Needa away in the scene where they would have been positioned here normally, which would have identified the positioning easier for us to begin with.
As far as the 'viewscreen' inside these quarters that Vader communicates to a 'nearby' Admiral Ozzel with....it seems reasonable enough to me that Vader has instant access to various areas he wishes to speak with (including the 'control room' just around the corner from his quarters), from the comfort of his 'chamber'....without having to physically get up out of it, if he can't be bothered etc.
It's like his own personal 'Captain's Chair' and 'Viewscreen', from which he can control everthing in comfort.
VincentSmalls said:
That asteroid clip kicked some major ass Ady!
By the way, this was posted after Adywan's latest previews. Can someone confirm if there was also one involving 'asteroids' that I've somehow missed, or is Vincent referring to an older clip? Thanks.
But we are not going realistically here Impfighter but stylized.
Working with the isolation idea and giving more variation to executor.
-Angel
Well Adywan may decide that the steps that Vader goes down at the end of the Needa scene, lead to quarters that are 'further on' somewhere after all, for your 'isolated' feel.
That's not necessary from my own point of view, but we'll see what happens.
Still loving the quality of your various stylized mock-ups, regardless. :)
ImperialFighter said:
Okay, because vaderio's mock-up above is something I consider a 'fix' for something I personally don't reckon is broken, I'm going to have a final stab at where I now believe Vader's quarters is really meant to be situated....if you go by the actual 'set' layout itself - not very far away from the Bridge, after all.
Wrong. This is Star Wars. Everything takes place far, far away.
;)
I for one like the idea of his chambers being away from the action. Having Piett march all the way into the bowels of the ship makes Vader seem even more menacing. And has anyone mentioned the risk of having an A-wing crash into the bridge? We wouldn't want Vader to get all crispy, now would we?
I was referring to...
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which did indeed "kick major a**".... (watching my language here Darth Solo!)
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I had said:
I don't think Needa's shuttle needed changed though, a Lambda shuttle is a bit OTT for a Captain, especially going ship to ship, the smaller TIE shuttle suits the situation better. Granted changing the shuttle makes it more obvious of what it is, but thats a bit 'Ric Olie'.
Bingowings replied::
Shuttles should be for shuttling, bombers should be used for bombing, fighters should be used for fighting and transports should be used for transporting (especially where the Empire are concerned).
In the SE as it stands we have bombers used for shuttling and shuttles used for transporting (Han can get away with the Falcon it's his mobile bachelor pad with guns).
But my understanding is that the TIE space craft design is used in a multitude of ways, Fighter, Advanced, Bomber, Interceptor and Shuttle. TIE craft are primarily used for non-atmospheric flight, If Needa had to take a trip to the nearest planet, he would have taken a Lambda.
Come on guys if Lucas thought it needed changed he would have changed it, he has a bit of a fetish with the Lambda shuttle. Don't just change it because that is what 'a shuttle should look like'.
Keep the TIE Shuttle (which was in GOUT), a short range 2 passenger & 1 crew ferry.
rpvee said:
adywan said:
But i have proved that there should be no reflections. And i didn't fix every little thing in ANH. There were many things that i left alone because they were insignificant or too quick to even notice
And, no, i haven't made a Yoda puppet
You did say that the tip of Vader's blade would appear for a couple frames. But hey, whatever, if you don't want to...
No i didn't say anything like that. I even said that there should be no reflections is the part you quoted. There are no shots in that dual where you would see any reflections in the window.
vaderios said:
Ady, any plans for uniform shadow area to executor?
No. The shadow on the executor is very dark so i don't see a need for a change to the stardestroyers shadow
vaderios said:
When yoda after says yes yes the footage is reversed? At least what i saw from ady's clip
No, it's not reversed. Its just the way the puppet moves. If it was reversed then the puppet would start doing the exact same movements t was doing before it turned its head to the point you think is reversed
brash_stryker said:
I think I may have had the most bizarre dream of my entire life.
Ady had asked forum members to attend some kind of workshop, where he unveiled a new Rancor (which was actually a wearable costume) and appealed to us to try it on so he could decide who would be able to cameo in ROTJ:R. Apparently I was just the right build for his vision of the Rancor, so I got the part.
And then it gets a bit hazy. Ady gives me his card (yes, in this dream Ady has a card) and I go to his house to do some filming. However when i get there, I'm faced with a man at Ady's side armed with knives, duct tape and garrote wire. Turns out Ady is some kind of Hannibal Lecter type serial killer.
I escape and I'm on the run from Ady and his henchman, and then it all becomes even weirder. Ady, the other guy, and myself are all suddenly Transformers in an epic city-demolishing Michael Bay (and Angel) worthy battle.
I've got to stop eating cheese before bed.
Wow, i'll have some of what you were having. lol
vaderios said:
Btw ady will you do something about the transparency of the probe's eyes? you can see through them and its like a prop...
Also it appears that there are debri before prob explodes. they are not rocks.
-Angel
I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to be transparent domes for the eyes or they would have made them solid on the model, so no i won't be doing anything to the eyes. And the problem with the mound being covered by debris was fixed a very long time ago
Docta Nick said:
I like the new scenes but there's one thing, Yoda's blink (the one 005 posted) just looks too forced. Blinks should be a quick real fast movement, he looks like he's forcing his eyes to shut for a second. I know it's not finished yet but I think Ady should work on that or tweak it a little more, whatever you wanna do.
I tried to imitate the speed of the puppets blink. If you look at the Needa's death video you can see the real puppet blink on Yoda and its slow. I might be removing the blink from that shot anyway
Jaitea said:
Excellent work there Ady, you've breathed life into the Yoda puppet, words now formed by his mouth, fantastic!
I don't think Needa's shuttle needed changed though, a Lambada shuttle is a bit OTT for a Captain, especially going ship to ship, the smaller TIE shuttle suits the situation better. Granted changing the shuttle makes it more obvious of what it is, but thats a bit 'Ric Olie'.
Jaitea said:
Come on guys if Lucas thought it needed changed he would have changed it, he has a bit of a fetish with the Lambda shuttle. Don't just change it because that is what 'a shuttle should look like'.
Keep the TIE Shuttle (which was in GOUT), a short range 2 passenger & 1 crew ferry.
Why wouldn't Needa use a Lambda class shuttle to go to the executor? These shuttles would be used to ferry important members of the Empire: the Emperor, Vader, and high ranking officers, of which Needa is one. It makes more sense having him fly in a Lambda class shuttle than a modified TIE bomber. And the argument about Lucas not changing it doesn't really hold up. Look what he changed that wasn't necessary but ignored things that did need changing. In Revisited the shuttle is going to stay just that: a shuttle, so in ROTJ Han & co's shuttle will be changed to a cargo ship, which it should have been in the first place
The Golden Idol said:
Very nice job on Yoda, Ady, but I think that when Yoda is trying to get the lamp back from R2, his brow should be furrowed, to show that he's struggling. I think that would be a nice touch, and would give more life to Yoda. Also, I agree with whoever said that Yoda's blink seems just a bit too smooth and slow.
Also, it seems that the food stick Yoda takes a bite out of is whole again when Luke inspects it and tosses it.
DF Shadow said:
I was hoping to see some subtle Yoda toe wiggling a bit though when his feet are shown so prominently, lol....don't know if it's too late for such a change though or if Ady or anyone else would want to see that. After rewatching the clip I wonder if such a little movement might work when he laughs.
I don't think Yodas feet need to wiggle at all. If we were in that position would we be wiggling our feet? No.
And the food stick is correct when Luke throws it away. He grabs it from yoda with the chewed section towards the palm of his hand. If you look at the stick when he throws t away, the chewed bit is clearly visible towards the palm of his hand.
And changing Yodas face in any way when he's trying to get the lamp back is impossible because he is moving too much and the technique i use for the facial manipulation wouldn't work
Ziz said:
As for the food stick, Yoda's got a small mouth...he couldn't have taken that much of a bite to start with.
The amount bitten off the food stick is actually only a tiny piece and is the exact amount that Yoda placed in his mouth and would have bitten off
Gorilla said:
Adywan, Just saw the new video on facebook of the Hoth Battle. The color and sound are great, love the new addition of walkers and snowspeeders. I do have one question that the clip didn't show. During the battle Luke calls Wedge both Rogue 3 and Rogue 2. Have you corrected this dialogue mistake? It's not listed as one of the changes on page 1 of this thread. Luke is Rogue Leader, Zev Senesca is Rogue 2, and Wedge Antilles is Rogue 3. Luke turns his head away from the camera when calls Wedge, Rogue 2. So I don't think it'd be too hard to redub Luke saying either "Rogue 3" or "Wedge" instead. Keep up the good work.
The "new" Hoth video wasn't posted by Ady, it was reposted from a video released 12-12-2008, so its actually fairly old. Most of those changes have been changed yet again (there are no additional walkers now, for example).
As for the dialog mistake, I think it was Luke forgetting who he was talking to perhaps? "Rogue 3, Wedge, I mean, whichever you are." We'll have to see what Ady thinks.
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I was wondering how you'd work changing the Tydirium to a freighter when it's named as a shuttle twice in dialogue, but I realised that'd be a relatively easy cut:
Madine: We have stolen a small Imperial [snip] cargo ship. [snip] Using a secret Imperial code, a strike team will land on the moon and deactivate the shield generator.
I suspect cutting Piett's reference might be a little harder. He says it very fast, and if you just cut the word "shuttle", it's less clear what Tydirium refers to, given it's the only instance of the name in the film.
Sluggo said:
Wrong. This is Star Wars. Everything takes place far, far away.
;)
I for one like the idea of his chambers being away from the action. Having Piett march all the way into the bowels of the ship makes Vader seem even more menacing. And has anyone mentioned the risk of having an A-wing crash into the bridge?
I guess I just don't see any benefit in altering that outside 'set' portion to try to make Vader seem 'isolated from the action' of the Bridge, especially since the footage doesn't seem to indicate that. It all comes down to....a certain point of view, but I'll take whatever comes of course.
However, I don't think any kind of out-of-control A-wings perhaps crashing into the Bridge area would have been at the forefront of the Executor designer's mind, considering the protective firepower that it supposedly has. I wouldn't think it would have any bearing on where Vaders quarters were situated, and I blame pure bad luck (and sloppy marksmanship from the Imperials) for that outcome in ROTJ. ;)
And good to have Adywan confirming a few more things in his latest post.
I had the same issue with the Yoda blink as other members. Just feels too slow to me and looks a bit unnatural. May be better, in my opinion, if it was just left as it is.
All the other animations you've done are seamless though. Honestly fantastic!
RoccondilRinon said:
I was wondering how you'd work changing the Tydirium to a freighter when it's named as a shuttle twice in dialogue, but I realised that'd be a relatively easy cut:
Madine: We have stolen a small Imperial [snip] cargo ship. [snip] Using a secret Imperial code, a strike team will land on the moon and deactivate the shield generator.
I suspect cutting Piett's reference might be a little harder. He says it very fast, and if you just cut the word "shuttle", it's less clear what Tydirium refers to, given it's the only instance of the name in the film.
I don't see any problem with it still being referred to as a shuttle, regardless of whether the model changes. It'd just be a different class of shuttle, I thought, so that the same model isn't reused throughout the saga, and Vader's shuttle doesn't turn out to be the same bog standard model used to transport supplies (correct me if I'm wrong). Is there a rule that says shuttles can't transport cargo?
Edit: The kind of shuttle we see taking off in the Dewback scene in ANH is the kind I assumed Ady would be using. It looks cargo-ey.
Anyway, this is ROTJ:R talk :)
